I was discussing Obama with a friend of mine shortly after his speech to the Democratic Convention, and we both confessed to having the almost immediate fear that this man would be assassinated. It did not, I admit, occur to me that some would see him as the antichrist. But I'm not really surprised.

After the recent tsunami in Asia, I have once again become very interested in the "end of the world". I started thinking about the anti-christ and Barack Obama was the person who came to mind. If he runs for prez in 2008 and wins, my mind will be made up. He sure isnt getting my vote.

Well, okay. But just in case you aren't speaking tongue-in-cheek, let me guess: you are completely insane.

HA! I'm getting my Barack hand tattoo tomorrow.

Regardless if he is or isn't the antichrist he certainly doesn't have the best grasp of economics. He may sound like a middle of the road guy but he is not. He's just another socialist in Democrat clothing. Poor Democrats. Poor U.S.

Obama scares the hell out of me as well. If he isn't the anti-christ he is most assuredly a tool for Satan.

I'll bite - it's a slow afternoon. Why, exactly, is he "most assuredly a tool for Satan?" I'm not talking general accusations such as "just another Socialist," either, I mean what precise actions or policy positions or statements has he taken/held/made that make you think he's a tool of Satan.

Fozzy, how do we know YOU'RE not the VNWO guy, pathetically hyping your own sad, perverse little site? :)

Obama certainly is anti-family like most democrats. On the night of his Senate victory, Obama's wife cheerfully introduced Obama to the crowd as her "babies' daddy." This is the title that uneducated, unemployed, single parents in the ghetto give the DNA contributor of their children. I felt really bad. In a time where black leaders should encourage young ghetto-ites to participate in responsible family units, we have this articulate leader being referred to not as a father, husband.... but by his own wife as merely a "babies' daddy." Sometimes I wonder if the Black Leaders in this country want young blacks to be stupid, uneducated, poor, single teen parents. A shame. Leaders like Obama are making the blacks themselves turn back the pages 100 years, call themselves the "n" word, and put the chains of stupidity and unemployment around their ankles. A dark era for Civil Rights. I wonder what Martin Luther King would think if he saw 2005 Black America. He'd probably cry.

That might be the dumbest comment ever left on this site. Thanks!

Very interesting. Today is Sunday the 14 of March 2006. I've just read the article on Barack Obama in the New York Times entitled: Golden Today, But will they love him tomorrow? There is definitely something not quite right about this man. I wasn't too interested in the article until an uncanny feeling overtook me. I had the strangest premonition of this man becoming a very influential world figure in the future. As with all world figures, they are confronted by all the possible forces of good and evil with which to influence and manipulate their decisions. Before I could finish reading the article, the idea that this man would unfortunately sercombe to negative and destructive forces of power was undoubtedly apparent.I was very unnerved. I have never experienced something of this sort in my life. I was entranced by this article and felt pressured to finish it as quickly as possible. The final paragraph read as follows:

"I want to thank you for all the generous advance coverage you have given me in anticipation of a successful career," Mr. Obama said."When I actually do something, we'll let you know." And no doubt, when that happens, the world will notice.

All I pray is that what ever his place is in future world politics, it will not be the initiating of war on the countries of this world.

Okay, what is he a superhero in a comic book? "Sercombe to negative and destructive forces" this isn't Star Wars. Yes, Obama is uncommonly popular for any junior politician and he sells out every venue where he speaks. Yes, he is highly educated and profoundly articulate. Maybe that is why the Dems nominated him to give a keynote speech? He did not come out of nowhere, he had been extremely active in the Dem party well before his election to the Senate and he is also a freind of Bill Clinton's. He has said that he will not run for president in '08, so please stop this ridiculous anti-christ hype and check his voting record, he is not middle of the road either. www.senate.gov

Shalom

Yes, he is highly educated and profoundly articulate.

You haven't seen "Bring the Pain", have you?

GB, I know where you're coming from. Chris Rock says that "Speaks so well" isn't a compliment, but "some s**t you say about retarded people that can talk."

It's both sad and more than a little unnerving that for many uneducated whites, a well-spoken man of color, unless he's in the military and thus supportive of the existing order, is perceived as such a threat.

I saw Obama aborting babies and smoking pot with the Devil last night.

demon and democrat start the same and mean the same.

My, aren't you the clever one?

"Bullshit" and "Bush" start the same and mean the same.

"Wacked-out" and "watchinu2008" start the same and mean the same.

But "reputable" and "republican" start the same and mean the opposite.

(I feel compelled to point out that M/tch and M/lls start the same and are practically synonymous.)

As do "Clownæsthesiologist" and "cloaca".

I so sad I missed this thread the first time. This:

That might be the dumbest comment ever left on this site. Thanks!

just cheered my mood right up.

M?tch M/lls and Martian Manhunter both began the same, but do they mean the same???

apostropher and apocalypse begin the same. Obama is my harbinger.

GB, I have not seen "Bring the Pain." Why do you ask?

The null set speaks!

Hey, I have given prophesy before and I truly beleive that Obama will be the Beast who makes everyone else worship that other funky creature. He will give His power up to this other creature( S) This other creature could be all those Seven or Eight really wealthy people who like own the World and not want everyone's heart and souls and now they are going to use Obama -his kindess and meekness his sincerity-to gain everyone's trust. Beleive me Obama is prolly sincere about his intentions to some extant but He may come to power and realize how good that is to such an extant that he will sell US out-to the more powerful beast. Obama will be the bridge between the average Jo Schmo who just wants the world a better place to the Anti-Christ who will take these souls away. Scripture will be fulfilled. I promise you and if they ever trace me back to this URL I am doomed. Also because BArack comes from such a multi-cultural liberal background he may turn into a Muslim or something...and we will die by the sword as SCripture mandates, now these final thoughts are my own...

Man, you're on to something, and as I see you are a SEEKER, let me tell you a little more:

When the stars have come right for the Great Old Ones, the secret priests will liberate great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. Then mankind will become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. The liberated Old Ones will teach us new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy ourselves, and all the earth will flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.

OB is a secret priest, as is GWB. I'm not at liberty to say more.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! ("In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming!") The Necronomicon.

ok just stubbled across this blog but i'm just curious. Why is Obama the anti-christ? I've not heard much about him but nothing I've heard has been negative...until now that is. So i'm curious.

Your guess is as good as mine, Curious. But the notion sure seems to have some traction among the lithium set.

Obama will be something evil. Still not sure what. But he will be a great misguider of the people. All christians need to be on their guard against this man.

i have to admit i have been getting a little spooked about this rising star from the middle east. it just seems to cap off all the other things that have been spooking me as well such as digital angel ("mark of the beast"), these wars in the middle east, this modern day rome that seems to be happening, the weather, these past natural disasters, etc. etc. etc. hope the best for all of you.

Are all you anti-Obama folks members of the KKK? The comment about his wife's introduction is taken so far out of context that it stinks of racism.

I, for one, am ready for a level-headed black man to look after our best interests. It's a hell of a lot better than the Rove and Cheney show (Bush is simply a puppet on a string).

Did anyone read the TIME Magazine article on Obama? It really creeped me out. At one of Obama's speaking engagements he was introduced in the following way: "He's all of us! He's not black! He's not white! He's not ..." The speaker then faltered and realized that she was about to say that He's not male or female. This kind of a description for anyone is worrysome. I believe that this is exactly how antichrist will be. Also, Obama announced today that he will be considering a run for president in '08. This going back on past statements that he was not interested in running. Not to mention that everything seems to be falling into place for end-times events to occur. Just my humble opinion.

Yes, I believe he will win in 08 and we will be finished by 012. I feel in my soul that he is the AntiChrist. He's too good to believe. Where did he come from? Where did his name come from? What evil forces are behind him?

You people are just plain nuts!!! Can you say brainwashed??? Do you have to belong to the Joyce Meyer cult, or the like, to understand this craziness???

If Barack Obama runs and wins in 08' It will truely spell the doom for America as we know it. He truely is evil. We all know this and can feel it in our bones. Shame on Time Magazine and shame on Illinois.

Barack Obama will be a worthy opponent, but I will crush him when I seize the Presidency in 08 in a massive landslide.

After all, he does not pledge to immediately withdraw American troops from the Middle East and around the world, and declare neutrality in all conflicts beyond the borders of the USA. But I do.

He does not pledge to end the income tax and the Federal Reserve and restore a financial system that will end business cycles as we know it. But I will. (I will first reinstate a gold standard and then, within a short time, phase in a completely free market in currencies.)

And he does not seem to see a bug problem with the massive encroachments on our liberties as witnessed in the war on drugs, the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions ACt, and the Real ID Act. But I do. And I will not enforce these chancres festering on our Constitution.

Everything Obama proposes are just cosmetic little bandaids and stopgaps which cover up deep wounds in this country inflicted by years of fascism (no not totalitarianism, I mean government by and for the corporation) that has been running amuck since President Wilson.

Obama is a charming, bright, handsome, and articulate man, and I am not sure if I trust him. But it is plainly obvious that he is being groomed by the powers that be for this job. He may be better than another Bush in the White House, god help us, but that might not be saying much.

Well maybe I ain't getting a landslide. But hell, I'm voting for me in 08, even if i'm the only one. It's not like anyone actually counts the votes anymore! :)

Would be willing to share power in triumverate if anyone's interested. :)

Sorry, Jon, but the secret priests want to liberate great Cthulhu. All that you rail against so pitifully are signs that George Bush is fulfilling his destiny as the midwife to the Leviathan. That rough beast, its hour come round at last, now slouches towards Bethlehem to be born.

Feeble libertarian, stay out of the way, or you will be crushed by history!!! Religious conflict, culture wars, domestic corruption and infringment on basic liberties by an Orwellian State are needed to wake great Cthulhu from His dreams!

"That is not dead which can eternal lie,/And with strange aeons even death may die."

- The Necronomicon

I thought the same thing when he burst on the national scene and saw how every media person was going gaga over him. Hearing the latest news about him running really scares me, I think he is someone to be watched out for.

If Barack Obama runs and wins in 08' It will truely spell the doom for America as we know it.

But will it truly be spelled correctly? This is what I want to know.

Barack Obama is not Iranian. He is a Parsi Indian who grew up in both India and Zanzibar before migrating to Illinois. His ancestors migrated from Persia 1,400 years ago. Calling him Persian is the same as calling Art Garfunkel(he's Jewish) Israeli even though his remote ancestors came from Israel 2,000 years ago.

The Parsis of India have imbibed Indian culture to the point where they are ethnically more an Indian people than an Iranian people. They speak Indian languages as their mother tongue. They're only Iranian connection is their racial bodytype, due to their not intermarrying with other Indians. Other than that, they are an Indian people. How do I know this? Because some of my best friends are Parsi. And anyway, Obama has made no claim to having pride in Iranian ancestry. He is proud of being American. He abandoned his Indo-Zanzibari past in the wake of his new found popularity as a politician. He has often gone to great lengths to cover it up. He has probably made some small claim as to being proud of Iran to cover up this fact, not out of any sincere pride.

i think all of the signs are pointing to him as the antichrist.

M/tch, what does the dwarf Barack Obama tribute band sing? What is their name?

Barack is a very scary individual. He is a secular humanist at its very worst. The scariest thing is that people are buying into his Oprah Winfrey ideology.

Hide, JH! Barack is coming for your kids! I would advise hiding out in your cellar at least through November.

M/tch, what does the dwarf Barack Obama tribute band sing? What is their name?

I don't know, but I do know if he changed his first name to "Al", he'd probably pick up more votes in the South.

Of course, that would totally leave him open to "Sweet Homo Al Obama" jokes, so it might just be a wash.

I'll vote for you Jon.

Oprah Winfrey ideology

JH, could you explain what this means?

JH, what would "a secular humanist at its very worst" do that would be so bad? Enforce the separation of church and state that our Founding Fathers wrote into the Constitution? Stop the Rapture, or bring it about? Interrupt the Armageddon by finding a way to get along with Muslims, and encouraging Muslims and Israelis to do the same?

Hey you guys, I hate black people too! its great to be surrounded by such wonderful, good, LOVING christians who know when the black man needs to stay in his place for the good of all mankind. Thank the lord for the fair, reasonable, honest leader we have in G W Bush who will most certainly deliver us from evil.

YOU:

I didn't know Barack was black. I thought he was mocha. But oh yes, praise be unto George W. Bush on his mission from God to save the world from tyranny. [me, covers mouth, eyes light up, snickers, and coughs]

SLOUCHING TOM:

I fear certain religions far more than secular humanists. KGE ("kingdom of god on earth") can be a dangerous notion, the puritan idea of the Kingdom of God on Earth. Because when people think they can bring us heaven, hell is usually the result. The fundies can be pretty wack with their idea of "screw you guys, I'm going home...in the Rapture..." That gives one a lot of excuses to leave the world in a hugely crappy mess, doesn't it?

Barack Obama is a Parsee, but like many other Parsees he is a proud Persian.I am a Parsee brought up in india now living in Australia but i can tell you that we are more Persian than most people.In an interview one of Barack's friends asked him what nationality are you? and he replied "Im Persian".

Sure we have intermixed with the Indian culture, but we have preserved our Persian roots.
I see myself more Persian, so does Barack Obama.

I have had many visions lately about Barack Obama, and God has lead me to realize that Obama is truly a Righteous Man of God.

I have learned that Satan is attempting to smear Obama by making people think that Obama is evil or the antichrist, in order to draw attention away from the REAL AntiChrist who is even now growing in our midst. We must RESIST Satan's evil lies!!

Great comments! The problem with the 2008 election is that almost every possible candidate is the AntiChrist.

Don't think so? Think about it it:

Hilary Clinton--obviously the antichrist.
John McCain--Duh. How could he not be the antichrist.
Barak Obama--amply demonstrated in the comments above to be the antichrist.

Uh, that's all I can think of, but you get the idea. They're all the antichrist. Clearly.

This would make a good new slogan for Edwards: "Edwards 2008: Not the Antichrist!"

(I mean, well, he is a trial lawyer. But still.)

I just stumbled across this blog. Woah -- these are some of the most *insane* comments I've ever read!! Firstly, Barak Obama is neither middle-eastern nor Persian (where did that come from??)! His mother was a white American and his father a black African (I forget his father's country of origin) who met in college in the U.S. Barak was born in Hawaii. His name is African: it means "the one who is blessed". Secondly, is this anti-christ conspiracty theory stuff serious? Okay, I'm half-guessing they're joke-posts. But let's consider the question: Hmmm... who's the more likely antichrist? Is it the son of the generations-back wealthy elite family who's never had to face any hard realities in life or work to get anywhere (as his family can probably pull any string he needs) and who is now sending thousands of well-meaning american soldiers (and many others) to their deaths in what's turned out to be an unjust war? Maybe to protect his family's and friends' oil-related investments? Or maybe G W Bush is simply that "tool for Satan" taking marching orders from the Angelic Cheney and Rumsfeld. ...OR is it antichrist the accomplished, thoughtful junior Senator from Illinois who's gotten where is because he's smart, focused and involved in his community? Well, he *is* charismatic & articulate with a refreshing ability to express complex concepts fully but concisely -- and a lot of people seem to like him. He must be the antichrist! (What??!) I am gratefully reminded that I am truly (spelled correctly) sheltered here in my little College town.

Oh -- thanks for that. I've had a cool beverage and gotten hold of myself since that last post. ...and really, who doesn't love Queen? Clearly they spoke the international language of... men in striped tights. I actually wish Freddie and his big Bathist moustache were still with us.

Aw, apostropher, you ruin all the fun!

But I've just discovered something:

George = 6 letters
Walker = 6 letters
Bush = 4 letters

So there you have it: 664.

Proof positive that W. is NOT the Antichrist, he's the Neighbor of the Beast.

you ruin all the fun!

Oops, sorry.

But I've just discovered something:

Something else: George Bush is an anagram for Buggerhose.

Firstly, Barak Obama is neither middle-eastern nor Persian.

U R Right!! Obama is not Persian, he is Parsi!!! As for Parsis identifying with Persians, we do have pride in our ancient Persian roots, but that does not mean we are Persians. Parsis have a history and identity separate from the Persians. Calling them simply Persians rather than "of Persian origins" undermines this Indian history and development. Nationally, Parsis still identify with India.

I just wish Obama would stop emailing me.

Curses and Drat!

You snotty punks on this blog have uncovered my Dastardly Plan involving Obama! Now I must find a new servant to hypnotize your leadership and vex your Immortal Souls!

Curse you Saint Bush and your supporters!

Not going to vote for someone because the bible says that anyone capable of bringing peace to the world is the Anti Christ? You people are meeeeeeessssed up!

So If Obama is the anti-christ and he will riase to power in 08 does that mean the Bush is the beast? Since the law Bush just Passed would Give Obama the ablity to jail or simply make all those who dont follow him vanish. Bush is the Beast who gives the power to the antichrist!!!

He's muslim and lying... similar to the republicans being gay and in the closet. Barack means " blessed" . Grandfather was wealthy. People have asked that his book be pulled from the shelves because it is nothing but lies. He is from wealth, came here "to study" and never went home. Family connected into things we need not snoop into. Check it out..... he is probably closer to anything the world has seen as far as smoozie evil to date..... trust Obama.... notta chance.

I think this is clear and unquestionable evidence that the instructions on prescription bottles need to be written in a larger font.

smoozie evil

liz, what does that mean?

LOL!!! I was reading this entire thread thinking, there are surely some crazies out there. Then I realized it's a big joke. No one is surely this crazy....oh wait there were 59,834,866 crazy enough to elect Dubya. If all you crazy conspiracy theorists were actually bright you would be more concerned about how the public school system keeps you people so stupid that you can't tell the real truth of this country let alone the world. As a friend of mine told me, "Dubya is the devil's spawn."

As a side note don't any of you crazies know how to spell? Truly is not EVER spelled with an E in it.

Nor is it EVAR spelt that way.

I don't watch TV or really read the paper, but I thought of Obama as the AntiChrist as soon as I heard of him.

And I am not religious.

And I am a democrat.

And you are insane.

I believe that this man is indeed the antichrist, put here for one reason alone, to control a superpower.True, he is a handsom and articulate gent. BEWARE. War is coming. War like you have not dreamed of will sweep us up within the decade. God help us all.

I am dreaming of seeing the web of links which includes the permalink to this post. Like a dark iceberg of Armageddon fantasy.

I just had iceberg lettuce on my burger - it was great! Except for the demiglace sauce on the burger that my girlfriend made. But here in Japan, a homemade burger, however constituted, is a grand thing!

Question to the board: when Obama Hussein Barack has a burger, what kind of meat and condiments does he use?

Duh! Baby flesh, dude.

I'm a Christian and a Democrat (yes, we exist). It's interesting to me that, when challenged to provide proof, the people who accuse Obama of being the Antichrist have NONE.

Don't get your panties in a wad unless you can back it up.

I think Obama is actually the Son of Santa Claus, not Satan. You can tell this because, word has it, that he celebrates Christmas from time to time.

i can remember when people thought bush was the antichrist...but he's really too dumb for that

We have to remember that the Anti-Christ (aka Satan is Completely possessed). What I mean by this is that Satan in his whole heart of hearts believes that all the evil which he is doing is Truth. There is not one thread of remorse or shame in the Anti-Christ for all the horrible things he has done to people. HE truly beleives that it is his purpose to control the world and control human-beings. He beleives he is God-no, he believes he is greater than God.Satan is like those people with really severe personality disorders. He is like a serial killer who keeps killing yet is never senstive to all the hurt he has caused. I beleive Obama to be completely posseessed, so possessed that he does not realize his bringing people together is a recipe for disastor and psychological disease. He will ask people to deal with inconsistencies, with Islam-to accept not only each other, but each other's eroneous religious beliefs. Accepting Muslims means accepting the violence and hate in Islam. Muslims can claim all they want that it is their culture and not their religion that inflicts torture upon people. That is not true. Their book demands murder even against innocents. Muslims are full of crap. Some of them are so brainwashed that they wont admit that their Allah condones such things....

Given this statement of the Anti-Christ that describes his character, I would say that Satan is so possessed and so earnest in his mission to unite people under his banner that he truly means what he says-he truly wants us to be Trusting, Loving, and Naive towards each other, particularly towards each other's Evils. He wants us to Accept Islam, which is a lie and a falsity, he wants us to accept everything short of Jesus Christ who is our Salvation and Savior. He wants us to accept the world as it is, but the world is a lie, the world is an illusion. The world is such a lie that even the greatest philosophers said that theydon't even know what Truth is. Obama has a tolerance for ambiguity and confusion and he masks this with a desire to respect all faiths. Obama will be your gosh darn it best friend respecting everything you beleive in, so that he cna win you over-not just politically, but morally, socially, spiritually. He is liek the Serpent who tricked Eve. The Serpent was so gosh darn it nice that Eve even actually had a conversation with him. She felt at home with Satan..and so will many with obama, Itell you..i tell you the truth....but no one will beleive me..

Mind you and every other person who will not heed my warnings. Mind you...Obama's biological father was a Muslim. This explains why Obama's middle name is Hussein...You dont beleive me? Do your damn research and check out Wikipedia and others sources to confirm this. OBama was educated in a Muslim school while he was in an Asian country. Wow this sounds like perfect preparation for the Anti-Christ. After coming to the US, he started working for churches and described himself as isolated from the Christian expereince and those who call themselves Christians. This makes sense, but what bothers me is that he refers to Christians as "people of he book" in an address against Keyes. Jeez, who calls Christians people of the book. ONLY and I repeat only Muslims use this phrase, "people of the book" to describe Christians. Jeez, this really sounds lke a guy I wanna trust and elect-someone who calls himself a Christian yet uses a Muslim phrase like that to describe his own Christian community. This guy is not a Christian. He is even worse than those Democrats who truly think they are Christians yet subscribe to abortion. Obama's worse than those pious Christians who clain righteousness yet compromise and do all sorts of evil. Obama is more thna that-he is the Anti-Christ, but God knowa only God knows. Obama is a lot more than politics-he is a liar, a deceiver. I was never interested in politics ever till i heard Obama talk on Oprah. The very first words out of Obama's mouth were eery-they sounded very New-Agish and alluded to someone who was trying to convert the poeple en masse into one political, economic, social, order liek the Anti-Christ himself.

Remember that when those claim that they are jesus-the king of the earth they are lying....Jesus was born of no man . Not only was he born of no man but jesus, amen, was taken with his flesh up to God!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus will not have been borne of any woman who has existed in our lifetime, so he can not be someone who is known to have lived in this world in our time...jesus is real adn he will tocuh you...

Wait, SICP is the Anti-christ? This I could believe.

Oh nevermind, I thought you were talking about SIPC.

Clown: huh?

OPRAH FOR PRESIDENT!!!

This guy is not a Christian.

Aside from that whole being baptised in and attending the United Church of Christ, that is.

the only reason i would even think that he was the antichrist is from what i remember from church. to the best of my knowledge, the antichrist would be likable, peaceful, and seem to unite the masses. the only reason i would raise and eyebrow is because he seems honest...like he could really do some good...very rare quality.

according to the mayans the world is going to end in 2012 anyways.

M/tch -- sorry -- I'm in the middle of studying for the hated Series 7 exam and when I saw something (the anti-Christ's pseudonym, Satan Is Completely Possessed) that looked like an acronym from my textbook, I tried and failed to run with it. (SIPC is also the name of the dll that implements the comm libraries for Reuters TRIARCH SSL, which I hate but not quite as much as the fucking NASD.)

Okay then. Carry on.

And good luck on the exams!

Whatever...I mean nobody is convinced that Obama is the Anti-Christ...I am wondering if the Republicans have control of Senate by now...Anyway, you have heard the news, so discuss it as a means of spreading it on-talk about Obama...Anyway, I will just let this go-you won't know who the Anti-Christ is until you see it, feel it with your eye's soul. It is Obama even if he is not elected President. I know it; there a strong feeling in my gut that is not wrought out of prejudice or even analysis. I just know. It is like when you just know that your lover loves you when you stare into his or her eyes. Or like when something is just not right with your kid. It is an instinct, a gut feeling and i will stand by it. "Many are called" as is Christ's saying, but "few are choosen." There were some souls since time beginning who knew the lord whether it was conscious or unconsciuos and their desire to be with God and share in His Glory was so persistant and pervasive in their daily lives that they became the choosen-those whom God knew to be the Ones ahead of time would love Him amen....and i love the Lord with all my heart and all my soul...he is my love and shepard, my nurterer and guide, my beloved and lover, my tender partner, he leads me ibto love-into still waters and he washes me with his pain-his tears...he covers me in His Grace, in His Mercy and in His love...he leads me beside still waters and time well time merges into one like a lapping stream....and everything remains suspnded in time, yet overflowing with noise, emotion and love for the lord amen...

"there a strong feeling in my gut that is not wrought out of prejudice or even analysis. I just know."

That is Satan's power tempting you, trying to deceive you by offering you "sure knowledge" about something that the Lord has not granted us the ability to know. Pray to the Lord to help you resist Satan's deceptions, for we will not know the time or place of the Antichrist's coming, and Satan will surely try to tempt us with false knowledge beforehand.

May be you are not one of God's chosen Chimt Illms. When I discussed the issue of the Anti-Christ with two separate people whom I call "casual" friends, they confirmed my suspicians about Obama. Even they with whom I HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED EITHER OBAMA OR THE ANTI-CHRIST stated such a thing, long before I made my "guess," that OBAMA is the man for the job. I ask that YOU whoever the hell you are shut the fuck up and stop boxing God into a creature who can't make the Impossible Possible. You can't stop God from revealing. If you want to stop God from revealing, then you are no worse than Satan trying to thwart me off because you are soooooo Oblivious to reality.Remember when Jesus told Peter to shut the fuck up cuz Peter did not want Jesus to Die on The Cross for us? Peter thought he was doing and/or saying a great deal of good in trying to stop Jesus from dying, but Jesus got upset with him because peter did not know that Christ's death was to be a good thing> By the same token, you are like Peter, trying to thwart me off from Revelation when God has clearly confirmed in two other people with whom I do not even discuss politics and the End-Times and the Anti-Christ. However, what binds Us together is our effort to get closer and closer to God and to see His crowning Glory, you bitch. Read this:
22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!"

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

I think Satan os making you talk you bitch. Have you confirmed otherwise-that Obama is NOT the Anti-Christ? Can you be absolutely sure Satan is not the Anti-Christ? The world will be separated in two camps-Those for Christ and Everything Christ taught and then people like you-against Christ , against the subtle things about Christ you can't understand.....Really, now go screw yourself and burn in hell, you bitch.

Whoever you are, I do not pretend to be Peter, and you should not pretend to be Christ. I have discussed this issue at length with eleven other people, which is far more than the two people you talked to, and all of us know, from reading God's own Sacred Words in The Bible, that anyone who claims to know who the Antichrist is has surely been led astray by Satan.

We have all agreed to pray for you that the scales may fall from your eyes and you will submit to God's Divine Plan and stop claiming knowledge that God has said He will not give to mortals.

I do not take offense at your anger and your calling me names such as "bitch", for I know that it is only the power of Satan working inside you, and I pray that you will be released from the Devil's power and return to God's Fold through the Power of Christ and have Peace in your Heart.

Again, Chimt Illms , you are meant to distract and thwart me from God by telling me that I am wrong and that you are right. There is nothing which I have said that contradicts the Bible, alright? I never said I knew when exactly the Anti-Christ is coming, but i do know we are living in the times and it is NOT, i repeat, a sin for US to know what time PERIOD the Anti-Christ may live in and do his dirty deeds. You liar, you perverter, you skank, may ... it does not say that peopel who know who the Anti-Christ is/are liars and are from Satan..no where does it say in the bible that the anti-christ can not and will not be revealed to people. Where do u get ur messed up theology from? I would like to know? i never spoke to MY friends "at length" about Obama ever nor did we even speak about the Anti-Christ ever ever...it occured to me to ask them and see if they had similiar premonitions, ok??? When have I pretended to be Christ??? When??? Christ was resurrected and His body Amen taken up, so he can't possibly be me, you or a 100 year old jo Schmo....I never said i was Christ-it just occured to me that many like Peter do not know what they do not know. You are unaware of who this Obama bozo is. Again, I stand my ground. This man was educated in Islamic school and had both a biological and step father who were both Muslims and NOT practicing. However, Obama was educated in Muslim schools and refers to Christians as "peopel of the book," a term that ONLY Muslims use to designate Christians. I thought Jerry Falwell was fucked up as was Anne Coulter, but Obama is the most perverse Christian out there because he claims to be one but is secretly in his heart of hearts a Muslim. Who are you to accuse me of being from Satan??? Who are you to accuse me of such??? Again, again, stop it and stop praying for me to stop thinking like this...i suggest you do some readings on Obama to see what he is truly all about...He claims to have a monopoly on truth by saying it-Truth-does not even exist. He negates the possibilty of an ultimate Truth, yet is not afraid to say Truth is in the Plurality of all the Religions. Saying that Everyone and Everyone speaks the TRUTH is like saying that we can all be gods unto ourselves thereby making out own truths, which are selfish.

Remember when Satan tempted Eve and told her to eat the fruit from the tree of good and evil because it would make her like one of the gods, like one of the gods, like one of the gods, like one of the gods. He told Eve that she too would be "like the godS" and bear Truth. There is no such thing as plurality, multiple and conflicting ideologies as being Truths into and unto themselves. There are not multiple gods or multiple truths. There is One Truth and it is God and/or the Trinity for us fallen ones.
There are Multiple Paths to god, but there is One Path to Salvation which We all need and that is through Christ Jesus. I am more worried about Obama than that looney we call George Dublya Bush. Bush may take our money, but the anti-christ will take away our Souls, so I ask you to be careful and check yourself if you find yourself falling in love with Obama. Once that man has you emotionally reeled you in, you leave yourself vulnerable to whatever things he may suggest and or ask of you...

One thing i always stress is that Jesus is Emmanuel-God in Flesh who was crucifed for our imperfections-our rebelliong against being andor even receiving the image of God. i beleive in that Deliverer in Christ so much. And I love Him to death. Sure, like any human being I may be mislead, but Obama with his Muslim roots is unique among all political leaders because his ideology of Islam is a very very very very corrupt form of islam. Obama talks to people about spirituality this and spirituallity that, but he as a Christian does not wear His Grace on His sleave to show that he has truly become someoen of the way. Instead, he sayd Islam is okay, so is this BS so is that...be careful with this person even though you may not believe he is the antichrist...a lot of shit he says is scary-about the pluralism of the world, but what is evne more scary is that he truly believes in this pluralism of religons...I can tell...look at it this way, I would rather be safe than sorrty if i were you and take precautions against this Obama anyway because even if he does not sound like the anti-christ to you he sound like a liar in general, a big time deceiver and liar...read his speeches and read his thoughts about religon ina book writenn by someone called Falsani....The bible says that we shud not associate ourselves with sinners and Obama is one because he perverts the Word, so at least dont get mawkish and sentimental over him I pray that you do not, but if it is written in the Book of life that that is your deed than i will not dispute...

WTF is all this nonsense?

Hmmm, I must confess that I do not know very much about Barack Obama. And I did not say that he isn't the Antichrist, only that God has not revealed that Knowledge to us yet, and we must all be careful about being decieved by Satan, for the Devil is very clever and will try to trick us into believing Untrue Things.

You seem to know a lot about Obama and what he has said and what he teaches. Can you tell me how you learned all this so that I may educate myself about him too?

Well, easy, be smart liek me and read about the lives of politicians. you need a curiosity about these things. Stupid people have no desire to learn and explore;they stay within their own world and narcississitcally explore themselves and take up Relgions liek Christianity to feel self-righteousness..Anywaym who is US you self0righteousness loser???? You won't know you are the chosen until you have been fully tested and tried??? Right???? Get a Life, pathetic idiot

At least these "stupid people" know how to spell...

Your lack of self righteousness and your abundant Christian love are truly inspiring. You obviously wear His Grace on your sleeve to show that you have truly become someone of the way. Your spelling is impressive too.

Please teach us more about your wonderful religion and how you have attained such a blessed state of grace and peace and become such a skillful evangelist, a true fisher or men.

Am I the only one who can see that Chimt Illms and the guy that doesn't right his name and types out drawn out statements are the same guy? It's really obvious to me. The guy claims to be Christian and goes around calling somebody a fucking bitch and they don't once object should be your first clue. The other is they both just type the same.

Jolly Rancer, I can assure you that they are not the same guy.

Just my two cents, but I don't think Chimt Illms and no-name are the same guy. I sure hope not, anyway.

No, I am not the same person. But I can assure you that I will continue to pray for this person who does not sign his or her name so that God may rid him or her of Anger and Pride.

No, anger, no pride. I refuse to sign my name lest someone tracks me. If anyone does oh well then. i can't help it. See I wear my emotions on my sleevs. I do not hide anything-just like Jesus and if i must pay the penalty for my non-conformist attitude than so be it. I have very little pride whatsoever and whatever pride I do have i try to purge with the grace of God...Anyway, let us take a closer look at the definition of pride.

"A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association: parental pride.
Arrogant or disdainful conduct or treatment; haughtiness.
PRIDE
A cause or source of pleasure or satisfaction; the best of a group or class: These soldiers were their country's pride.
The most successful or thriving condition; prime: the pride of youth.
An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.
Mettle or spirit in horses.
A company of lions. See Synonyms at flock 1.
A flamboyant or impressive group: a pride of acrobats.
TRANSITIVE VERB:
prid·ed , prid·ing , prides
To indulge (oneself) in a feeling of pleasure or satisfaction: I pride myself on this beautiful garden. "

Pride sounds a bit like self-righteousness. And I have none that is why I keep telling people that I don't know my status with God until I am fully tested and tried. Now this Chint Illms persona claims that (yes i said persona not person) that God will reveal to the Believers who exactly is that anti-Christ. My questions is is who are the believers in Christ? No one until fully tried and tested. See, that is why Christ tells us that the Anti-Christ will begin his reign around this era and/or time. This is done to fool the Believers, to test and tempt the beleivers and many beleivers will be decieved if Satan can deceive them-if, now, when there if the possibility of an if, than there is a possibility of your being deceived, right? Now, how do you or I know that we won't be deceived lest we be Fully tested Amen? Now how does some one who is not CONCEITED about his or her (refering to me) beliefs in God and assuming that ,he or she again refering to me, i will go straight to heavan? I do know if I am going straight to heavan because i have not been tested. Now, here is some one like you who has not expereinced the anti-christ and not been fully tested, of which we both have not, cclaim Righteousness. Righteousness mean claiming that you are Right, but how do we know we have gotton it allright and are therefore Righteous? You must examine your beleifs, i tell you , rather than accuse me of such things. I think I am lowly and scummy and i want jesus to wash me with his blood!!!!Anyway

Yeah, I could buy that. Especially when his plans to gay-marry Barack Obama are unveiled.

"No, anger, no pride."

Hallelujah! Our Prayers are working!

i never had any anger or pride-the only anger I have is the anger directed towards people like you. You piss me off still, but i think it is irrational to claim that your prayers are working unless you are being sarcastic. In the post before this I commented on your arrigance about being Self-Righteous. And here you are again: you are assuming that i have changed. What is even more scary is that you are assuming that i have changed b/c of your prayers. You have decieved yourself into beleiving you are Righteous.

I dont think so-I never had pride and anger but I do direct anger towards peopel like you who are self-righteous. Read the diatribe I had against self-righteous people like you who think they are the Choosen. And no your prayers are not helpinh...at all..I am still who i am and i dont need to change that, self-righteous hypocrite..go fix yourself....

"Well, easy, be smart liek me and read about the lives of politicians. you need a curiosity about these things. Stupid people have no desire to learn and explore"

Nope, certainly no pride there.

"Get a Life, pathetic idiot"

And that's definitely not anger, is it?

I'll keep praying for you, I know you have it in your True Heart and with The Lord's Help to overcome Satan's Temptations.

I seriously thought i was the only one.....Gay Marriages, and abortion....this guy is suppose to be a christian....he attends the same church as a co-worker of mine......wow

Ok, Chimt Illms-it is not pride for me to say I have a Life whereas you do not...and i cant help it that I am smart..i hope you go fuck yourself, stupid bitch...you need to get lost and get the fuck out-you are a deceiver-you are deceit unconcisouly clothed in meekness..I am gaining an audience who will listen...and YOU YOU YOU YOU you will learn of what God is truly revealing and He will be so angry that you made these stupid accusations against me..>WATCH when God rebukes you....

and i cant help it that I am smart

Not smart enough to spell or punctuate correctly, though.

"and i cant help it that I am smart"

"I am gaining an audience who will listen...and YOU YOU YOU YOU you will learn of what God is truly revealing and He will be so angry that you made these stupid accusations against me..>WATCH when God rebukes you"

Nope, certainly no pride there.

"i hope you go fuck yourself, stupid bitch...you need to get lost and get the fuck out"

And that's definitely not anger, is it?

I'll keep praying for you, I know you have it in your True Heart and with The Lord's Help to overcome Satan's Temptations.

Those filled with Anger and Pride always deny it, but God's Power will be Triumphant and show you the Truth.

Gods, I love this thread. I love apostropher even more than I would anyway for hosting this thread.

Satan is like those people with really severe personality disorders.

Love! This! Thread!

You want I should pray for you too, McManly?

I love this line:

jesus is real adn he will tocuh you...

I also love that the response of one self-professed Christian to another's urge to prayer is:

Really, now go screw yourself and burn in hell, you bitch.

Feel the love.

this topic....STILL ACTIVE?!?!?!

You'll notice that the post itself is over two years old. Which just goes to show that you can't kill the anti-Christ.

You want I should pray for you too, McManly?

Have a ball. I don't turn down good vibes of any flavor. I'm not a Christian, I should note, but I also think you have the correct reading of Revelations. It's quite clearly stated that any believer who thinks they know a thing about how the apocalypse will go down is being deceived.

Which just goes to show that you can't kill the anti-Christ.

I'm really, really hankering for a viewing of the original Omen now.

Hey, McManly, do you like anagrams?

*look of sudden realization*

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

(Strikes forehead)

No flies on you guys, no sir.

Thank you, Apostropher. You have the world's best comment threads.

Although, I might have been injured and the spouse's sleep was disturbed over "buggerhose."

I'm afraid my anagram would be too obvious.

Where does all this "Persian/Parsi" stuff come from? He's the son of Barack Obama Sr., a black Kenyan, and a white American mother. Maybe she is part Parsi, I don't know. But I DO know that Barack Sr. is from the mainland of Kenya, not Zanzibar, where an Arab or Persian background would be much more likely. And he can't claim his stepfather's Indonesian ancestry as his own, either.

Barack does have a way of "spinning" similarities to whatever groups of people he happens to be in front of at the time, but did he actually identify himself as Parsi or Persian? Maybe that's his stepfather's background...?

Yeah, all these accusations of Obama being Persian or not distract from the REAL issue: whether he's the Antichrist!

Wow... I stumbled accross this for the simple reason that an underdog politician, untill recently, has caught the media's eye, and is having what may be a sudden rush to power. As I thought there are fanatics on each side :p

I'm not your typical christian, I don't blindly follow the faith that a group of men created in the years following the death of christ(not talking about disiples people, I'm talking about leaders in the vatican between 200-500a.d.) I follow the teachings of the bible because I can trace my scottish lineage to early gnostic(yes, not agnostic) christians that were persectued by the roman catholic church. I have studyed a little about other religions and spiritual guides that were given to man... oriental religions and the myan have been eye openers...

If Obama does rise to power and is elected pres. in '08, there might be a chance that he is the anti-christ and these are the end of days... you can never tell either way. I'm not really for either political party, both have faults, both have qualitys... I knew nothing about him other than when I've seen him on tv... He's a great speaker, he gets your attention... but even with all that something about the man dosn't seem right to me... it's something that I feel within this consciousness that was given to man.
well... I guess I'll be around every once in awhile, wish I could have gotten in on this thread earlyer... it seems like people are starting to spam comments because they can :\

okay, well it seems to me like we have really messed up people here...I am back though heheehehee...Chint Ilms eat your heart out!!!
I will continue to contend that Obama has the spirit of the anti-christ within him. not my fault god does not reveal to you what he is revealed to me and others, so eat your heart out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rememebr Jesus said he is gonan back to create chaos and ckeave the world....cleave to this Chint Ilms!!!! i think God must really hate you for being self-righteous and attackign me...i never attacked you in the first place-it was u who judged me wrong in this regard..i never even bothered you...goes to show you who you are as a person...

Not to sure on Mr. Obama being the AntiChrist as Bible prophecy indicates otherwise in a few respects. Number one being location and his parentage which Obama doesn't fit and also he is meant to have a few other abilities and characteristics which he seems lacking in.

The prophet Ezekiel calls the Antichrist "Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal" (Ezekiel 38:2). Scholars agree that the ancient land referred to as Magog would appear to be a powerful country or region of peoples to the north of Israel. Although there was no such land called Russia in Ezekiel's day, the term "Rosh" is amazingly similar to Ros (also spelled Rus), the name given to the people that settled along the major rivers of the land now known as Russia, circa 700-800 A.D., and from which the terms Russia and Russians derive. Meshech and Tubal could be renderings of Moscow and Tobolsk, cities that weren't to exist for one to two thousand years from when Ezekiel lived. Moscow is the capital of Russia, and Tobolsk, until recent times, was the most important city of Siberia. Since the cities didn't yet exist, it would be understandable that Ezekiel used names that were familiar to him and similar in sound. For these reasons many Bible students believe that the Antichrist will rise out of Russia.

There are also indications in Scripture that the Antichrist will have something to do with Egypt (Daniel 8:22-26). Scripture also points to Europe, indicating that it will be a key player in the Antichrist's world government, whose leaders will fully unite behind him. "These are of one mind, and they shall give their power and authority to the Beast" (Revelation 17:13). The Antichrist is also described in the Bible as the "son of perdition" & the "beast"!

Like Hitler, who was one of history's antichrist archetypes, he will have great charisma & speaking ability, "a mouth speaking great things."

The Antichrist will rise to power on a wave of world euphoria, as he temporarily saves the world from its desperate economic, military & political problems with a brilliant 7-year plan for world peace, economic stability & religious freedom.

The Antichrist could well rise out of the current chaos in the former Soviet Union. The prophet Ezekiel names him as the ruler of "Magog," a name that Biblical scholars agree denotes a country or region of peoples to the north of Israel. Many have interpreted this to mean modern day Russia.

His power base will include the leading nations of Europe, whose leaders, the Bible says, will "give their power & strength unto the beast." The book of Daniel especially chapter 2 give more insight on the role Europe plays during the reign of the AntiChrist.

The Bible even gives some clues about his personal characteristics. The prophet Daniel wrote that the Antichrist "does not regard the desire of women." This could imply that he is either celibate or a homosexual. Daniel also tells us that he will have a "fierce countenance" or stern look, and will be "more stout than his fellows"--more proud and boastful.

The 7-year peace-pact (or covenant) that is engineered by the Antichrist is spoken of a number of times in the Bible. Under the final terms of the Covenant, Jerusalem will likely be declared an international city to which Judaism, Islam & Christianity will have equal rights. Scripture indicates that the Jews will be permitted to rebuild their Temple on Mt. Moriah, where they revive their ancient rituals of animal sacrifice.

According to prophecy the Antichrist will not only be a master of political intrigue, but also a military genius. Daniel describes several major wars that he fights during his 7-year reign, apparently against the U.S. & Israel, who will oppose him during the second half of his reign.

For awhile, most of the world is going to think the Antichrist is wonderful, as he will seem to have solved so many of the world's problems. But, three-and-a-half years into his seven year reign he will break the covenant & invade Israel from the North.
At this time he makes Jerusalem his world capitol & outlaw all religions, except the worship of himself & his image. The Bible says that the Antichrist will sit in the Jewish Temple exalting himself as God & demanding to be worshiped.

It is at this time that the Antichrist imposes his infamous "666" one-world credit system.

Well that is abit about the AC in a nutshell. Reading the above post was for me a humorous experience. Although Miss No-name is a sad excuse for a Christian... By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples if ye have love one to another. John 13:35

there are fanatics on each side

Meaning, the "Obama is tha Anti-Christ" side and the "Obama is not the Anti-Christ" side?

I fanatically believe that there is no Anti-Christ, so I guess I'm in the latter camp. To arms, my brothers & sisters! Let us valiantly and tirelessly continue not caring about the make-believe. I am going to read a book and not think about this with ceaseless devotion for the next hour or so just to really stick it to the haters.

I'm going to be busy for a while eating my heart out, but after that I may join you in not thinking about this with ceaseless devotion, McManly. Maybe we can start a study group or something together.

"i think God must really hate you for being self-righteous and attackign me"

Only someone whose Heart has been entered by Satan would think that me praying for them is an attack. This is Proof that Satan is at work in you.

But there is always Hope. I will continue to pray for your Deliverance from Satan's Evil, and I am confident that if you also pray, together we can cleanse your Heart of his Wickedness!

I think the misconception here is that Obama has a name consisting of three 6-letter words. His name is actually two 5-letter words separated by a 7-letter word. Once you realize that, the threat fades away.

Plus, from what people tell me, generally what you look for when trying to identify the antichrist is somebody who says his goal is world peace. Obama is too narrow-minded to promise that; he is more focused on figuring out ways to help the United States dominate the world's economy, which would necessary breed the continuing resentment that prevents world peace from happening.

Hey, whatever happened to Mikail Gorbachev and that mark on his head?

Plus, from what people tell me, generally what you look for when trying to identify the antichrist is somebody who says his goal is world peace.

From what people tell you? I would have thought a notorious goatfucker like you would have a more direct source of knowledge on this subject.

Wow. *blink blink* What a way to procrastinate writing this paper...thanks, apo! And quick confession: my neo-con upbringing actually did cause me to blink and say "Antichrist?" back in 2004 after I read his speech transcript. However, I will happily admit to not being in my right mind at the time (law school at a Southern Baptist University does strange, strange things to a person). Then again, when I was still in fundy clutches in HS I thought McCain was the AC and that Bush was a better choice. I have since learned better.

I should write a memoir, "Confessions of a Young Republican Turned Goth" or something

'sides, shouldn't the antichrist have an eeeeevil-looking goatee or something?

Can't believe I just commented on a post that's 2 years old.

Back in my fundy days it was Gorbachev. I want Gorbachev. I mean, how can you beat that mark?

John, I have tried to satisfy this request at my own site.

okay, well it seems to me like we have really messed up people here...I am back though heheehehee...Chint Ilms eat your heart out!!!
I will continue to contend that Obama has the spirit of the anti-christ within him. not my fault god does not reveal to you what he is revealed to me and others, so eat your heart out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rememebr Jesus said he is gonan back to create chaos and ckeave the world....cleave to this Chint Ilms!!!! i think God must really hate you for being self-righteous and attackign me...i never attacked you in the first place-it was u who judged me wrong in this regard..i never even bothered you...goes to show you who you are as a person...

WTF YO

Chint Ilms shut up, you have no IDEA what the heck you are talking about. If you only knew what was at hand you would not accuse me of being at the hands of Satan. I encourage strong vigilience among the Christian community because we are living in the Times. I encourage the self-caution that jesus told us to have about ourselves and the world durign these last days, so eat your damn heart out Chint Imls. You do nothing but encourage laxity among beleivers; we can not pasively stand by as babes while wolfs attack us. We must wear the zeal of jesus on our sleeves adn stand for God and guard against iniquity. You are are here and NOW cursed forever and ever. I pray that you will feel the very condemnation that you have set forth to Beleivers who have persevered in their efforts to enlighten you with Lordly Wisdom. Jesus tell us that anyone who denies the Holy Spirit will Never be forgiven. You clearly have been given enough information about certain political characters so that you may find out who these people are and whether or noth their ideologies are posing a threat to our spirituality. Chint Ilms eat your heart out!!!!!!!!!!!! Go away from the community of beleivers, I pray that God enlighten you or just plain not let you write on these posts anymore. You are not allowed to deceive and defile...Go to your stupid church of messed up people and do whatever....go pray for peopel who really need you....like drug addict relatives or alcolics. Instead of focusing on me as a concern pray for those in your life and YOURself who have strayed from what is GOOD...

I'm going to pray for God to send you a spellchecker.

can everybody just shut the fuck up about this whole obama thing???

WTF everybody

But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game ...

Robusto -

Sweet! I like it!

On a serious note for a sec, can I just say how elegantly, beautifully self-sealing Pilgrim's definition of the Antichrist is? Basically, any world leader who acts marginally like a Christian is theoretically supposed to act -- spreading things like peace and love and tolerance and goodwill toward men -- becomes automatically identifiable as a stalking-horse for Satan plotting to introduce the "one-world credit system." It's like a license to advocate being un-Christian as the essence of salvation and righteousness, the use of Revelation to precisely invert and defuse the more inconvenient teachings of Jesus. What a perfectly Christianist doctrine -- so canny and ingenious it's almost admirable.

Almost.

Also loving the most excellent "God's Angel": I encourage strong vigilience among the Christian community because we are living in the Times.

Everybody's been living in the Times for the past two thousand years, man. Ever hear of a story called The Boy Who Cried Wolf?

(If there's a response to this, please let it be "Ever read a book called the Holy Bible??? WTF YO???")

go pray for peopel who really need you....like drug addict relatives or alcolics

Or meth-addicted gaybashing hypocritical preachers and the fools who follow their ilk, maybe.

"Chint Ilms eat your heart out!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Can you please tell me what you mean by this? I certainly don't envy you. Pity, yes, and Love, but never Envy.

"go pray for peopel who really need you....like drug addict relatives or alcolics"

Oh I do pray for them. But I will also continue to pray for you. Because you too have been tempted by Satan and let the Evil One blind you to God's Love. Why else would you shout hateful things at those who care about you?

"You are are here and NOW cursed forever and ever."

Mortals have not been granted the Power to Curse. Are you claiming to be God? Or are you using Satan's Power to try to curse me? I am not afraid of your threats. God will protect me, and I will continue to pray that he protects you too from the Hate that has engulfed your Soul.

The fact that Hillary Clinton is thinking about not running for the presidency today, because of her fear of this man scared me. A few months ago I thought this guy could be the one all Christians are looking for in these troubled times. I am a repbublican and wouldn't vote for Hillary, but think with the resent win in the houses she would win if she ran. But, if Barrack wins I fear we are all in trouble! Christians be prayed up. And hope we get raptured out of here before our cities start getting blown up! J.K.

The fact that Hillary Clinton is thinking about not running for the presidency today, because of her fear of this man scared me.

It must have been the time she saw his head rotate 360 degrees.

But wait, I thought Hitlery was supposed to be the antichrist. Or was that just "bride of"?

Chint Ilms, if you read that there Bible of yours you will find that the CHoosen are those who will reign with Jesus to judge and condemn those who have caused God's Word to be defiled...See if you really were a Christian Chint Ilms, you would KNOW that Christ has His choosen wtih whom to reign, so are you telling me that those choosen are from Satan because they are not Jesus yet they Judge with Jesus' authority??? See , you don't know your Biblical stuff so don't talk, please, please..but if Obama turns out to be the one and you WILL know when, then take heed to these curses because they are meant for you....

(There's no way to link to individual images in Apocamon but the one I have in mind is on the 44th page.)

"Chint Ilms, if you read that there Bible of yours you will find that the CHoosen are those who will reign with Jesus to judge and condemn those who have caused God's Word to be defiled"

I have read the entire Bible and am quite familiar with it. Where in the Bible does it say that you will get the same privileges as Jesus to reign, judge, and condemn?

Mr. Anonymous -- I hope you are not "defiled with women" -- it is only the virgins who are "redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

Apocamon is truly majestic.

Yeah, I think it's one of the best things out there. Have you signed up for Serializer.net so you can read part IV? I have been meaning to do so but not gotten around to it yet.

Not yet, but I'm seriously thinking about it.

Awesomely relevant spam.

Revelations ststes that God's choosen shall reign with Jesus and judge and Chint Ilms WHO are YOU to judge whether or not I am the choosen..time can only tell...if revelations comes to face value, Chint Ilms, I am gonna PRAY for you..no tellingwhat wrath Jesus will pour out for you....you remind me of a frigid lesbian who is two-faced and tries to be pedantic and intelelctual. STOP it you sound gaye : ) ) ) ) ) )"

PS read your Bible

It sucks that I'm now specifically watching this thread, waiting for posts like that last one to pop up.

Revelations does not state that, you're making things up to justify your failings before God. But don't worry, I will continue to Pray that you will be free from Satan's Deceptions.

Revelation 20:1-7
Revelation 20
The Thousand Years
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

But see the Power of jesus is A WHOLE HELL of a lot greater than your's chint ilms and NO one can ever take away the Glory that God's choosen have been given...if I must be persecuted for what I say then persecuted I shall be, Chint Ilms...what failings, Chint Ilms???? What have i failed in? I am an undergraduate at University that is reknowned for its intellectual fervor (it is ranked as one of top 20 schools in the nation)-i had a 33 on my ACT, I am active in and even head of two women's groups, I have published a book under a pseudoname,many people really like me, I am exceptionally beautiful and charming yet have turned down several offers from some very nice guys. The world is practically my oyster, But i love God More-more than anything in this world. And so for that reason I remain firm in my stance against Obama. Do you understand that even Obama does not know he is the victim of Satan? Obama does not understand that he IS Satan's prime target. Obama is charming, wonderful in many respects, charismatic, alluring, gravity-defying yet somehow untainted by human political power. He is not selfish enough to get power for himself; rather, he wants it for some other, ill-defined purpose which he thinks is a philosophical pursuitand/or necessity. he is in politics for some philoisophical abstraction which is more dangerous than wanting power for power's sake. See, Obama is going to end up subscribing to osem kind of ideology that fosters a FALSE one world unity and i see that in his damn speeches when he repeatedly talks about the multiplicity of truths-a notion that Satan asked Eve to subscribe to. read genesis KJV " 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. " If we have someone liek Obama who has a tendency to trust that there can be Multiple Truths with a capitial T, then in God's book he is completley possessed because you have to become a complete fool-completley oblivious- in order not to see or even have an aversion to the idea to the idea that anything can be Truth unto itself. tat is fuckign crazy if you say that Islam is a truth just as much as jesus is and that like biddha we can become our own god's. That is fucking crazy i tell you....Any rational human being who has not stepped into a another realm will tell you that there can never be more than One Truth...The Ultimate reality is not Divisive-we do not exist among mant God's or truths. What scares me is Obama'a very ideology and personal beleifs about everyone being capable of having Truth. Under this kinda of ideology much sin and much tolerance of false relgions will thrive and devour the world... And you know what Obama, the saints (who are differant from the jews-saints can be the gentile but they are just as choosen as the jews -all 144, 000 of them are) like me are NOT gonna stop you-they will let YOU have your ways as Scripture says but we will continue to lament how Satan has won control over YOU like he did with Judas...and it will be even more sad because the very people who will elect you-the Jews-will also try to take you out of office. You will be just another victim of Satan's enterprises and that is why I lament you and cry at the horror of how Satan is going to devastate you. Obama I wish it was NOT you that Satan will deceive but he picks the person who gives him power. I feel sorry for you, not the you that will possessed-almost completely by Satan. I just wish it were not you, but that is how SCripture is going to be fulfilled. honestly, I feel scared for Obama-the human being who naively accepts Satan's wishes. I feel so god damn bad for you, dammit...but I can not help it-that is Scripture. I am just going to continue preaching the gospel and pray that if you ever murder me for preaching about Jesus I request that you do it by the sword so that it won't hurt. I don't care about life in this world but i sure as hell don't wanna suffer TOO much during my death.

Chint Ilms, you seriously need to go Fuck yourself because you dont have a clue as to what you are talking about...and if you say it is un-Christian for me condemn you, then read the Book of Acts where the Apostles had the power to judge and condemn selfish, self-ingratiating stingy people.

Revelation 20:1-7
Revelation 20
The Thousand Years
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Posted by: at December 5, 2006 03:48 PM

Frankly I am soooo scared for everybody...but like Jesus at Gesthemene i shall let myself be vulnerable and allow myself to let history be and if I must die by the sword, then by the sword I shall die. There is no stopping the sword through my neck, Amen. I am Blessed to be a witness to History and be murdered by people for preaching about God. I think it would be an honor for me to die by the sword, Amen!!! I am happy to be killed for loving Jesus, Amen... However, I fear that islam shall be the culprit in my death...alas, me....i don't care, I am just gonna preach the Word and that very thing-the Word-shall be my sword, for the more people I help bring into God's fold believing in Christ jesus Amen, the more i shall destroy Satan so that he will not have any more souls to take. corrupt!!! Amen

Jesus Christ is Lord Lord I tell you Lord Amen...i pray that the Holy Spirit fill everyone hear and Bles them a million times over with his light...caution: the truth is gonna huirt though and it will not be what you want it to be....

I am Blessed to be a witness to History and be murdered by people for preaching about God.

What happens if no-one bothers to kill you by the sword or other means? Does it become a metaphor then, like "liberal nihilists used their words as swords against me"? I'm curious.

In a way it is murder when a liberal nihilist tries to sabatoge me, but they never destroy me-likewise, when someone tries to kill me with an actual sword i shall not truly die cuz i have life, Amen...i will still live on and corporeal death does nothing to inspire fear from persecution whether it be verbal or physical. I am still alive...

"In a way." IOW, not really.

So then, if nobody actually kills you, are you still a part of "the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God" or not?

Obama on Jay Leno!

We seem to have gotten a little off tract. I cant believe that at this early stage, others are noticing Illinois Senator Barak Obama. Not since Ian McClelland playing the part of Gandalf (Lord of the Rings) has someone fit the role of Antichrist as well as a relatively unknown Senator from Illinois.

The rise of Obama and his succession as the next President of the United States is one of the last pieces of a predicted apocalyptic transformation.

I am 34/M/Canada...Lets just say that I have been closely watching World events for 20+ years, knowing that we are witness to an exceptional time in our history. I developed an unexplained fascination with a prophecy shared by most religions and cultures.

Our collective goal as a planet is to live in harmony with all religions, nationalities, animals and nature. We strive to evolve and improve as a pluralistic society free from conflict and needless suffering. Our ancestors, prophets, philosophers, religious and historic leaders have consistently warned that humanity must change its barbaric ways or force a "divinely inspired" intervention; an Apocalypse, Armaggeddon, "End of Times" cleansing.

Now back to Senator Obama. First lets examine how history describes the Antichrist. He will appear when the World is headed for the third, largest and last catastrophe; World War III, the "Battle for Armaggeddon"(Russia, China, North Korea and various Islamic States vs U.S.A., Israel and the secular West). He will rise suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere, on the power of his speech. The World will embrace him as saviour to the current crisis. However, we are warned that his true intentions are to trigger a "Final Battle".

Here are some of the recent considerations for title of Antichrist: Gorbachev to Reagan, Milosevic to Osama Bin Laden, Bush to Kim Il Jong , Ahdmedinajab to Chavez, Condoleezza Rice to Colin Powell. These candidates have been dismissed because they have neither fooled humanity by disguising their true intentions nor have the charisma and powerful speech required by the Antichrist.

Obama is the best Antichrist contender to surface in recent history. The first thing I noticed about him is his incredible gift for public speaking. He says everything right, has answers that Americans want to hear on all issues from Social issues to a solution for Iraq.

Senator Barak Obama has already appeared on Time magazine, Larry King, Oprah and Jay Leno. No one had heard about him before the 2004 DNC and seems to have come out of nowhere. He is well poised to charm his way into an America electorate, that in two years will be outraged by dangers created by the current Administration.

America will do what appears imposible right now: a Black male candidate will win the Presidency from over female candidate, Hillary Clinton. Nov. 2008) Democrat Barak Obama becomes America's next President.

In his interview with Jay Leno last week, he addressed concerns about his race, (Mother is from Mid-West and father from Africa), his "strange" name (he was born in Hawaii).

Its unfortunate that Obama is such a likeable person. I hate to think that he has bad intentions. (I guess thats the whole point of the Antichrist's deception) Senator Obama makes me enjoy watching politics in the way that we have enjoyed listening to JFK, Reagan, and Bill Clinton. I suspect that we have only begun to witness the grandure and awe of what Barak Obama will represent to humanity. I hope that we can change our ways before Barak Obama leads the divine or natural answer to our continued historical problems.

Let me know if anyone else agrees with me of whether you all think Im crazy!

Adam

Welcome to the thread, Adam! You'll do well here. I think we can go a long way with the Barack-McLelland analogy.

I am Blessed to be a witness to History and be murdered by people for preaching about God.

Oh, that I should be found worthy to be spit upon for the gospel's sake!

Oh, for the love of God, just admit you're scared of a black man as a politician and get the fuck over it already. And meanwhile, stop reading Revelation literally, you're embarassing the faith.

Adam: Yeah, you had me voting "crazy" with Gandalf-as-the-Antichrist; the whole "it's a supernatural event for a good public speaker to appear on Oprah" thing is just the icing on the cake. Please stop telling people you're Canadian.

No one had heard about him before the 2004 DNC and seems to have come out of nowhere

He was a weekly guest on Tavis Smiley's radio show, which was one of the highest rated shows on NPR, for years before the 2004 DNC. I believe that is even more indicative of anti-christiness than being on Oprah and Jay Leno.

I am the anti-christ and i choose to end this topic.

thanks for tryin folks

what failings, Chint Ilms????

Ever hear of something called Original Sin? Are you seriously trying to claim that you are without failings? And do you remember denying that you are beset by Pride?

And can you point out to me the passage in Acts where the Apostles say "you seriously need to go Fuck yourself"? Jesus chose His Apostles, they did not elect themselves, as you are trying to do. And do you rmemeber denying that you are beset by Anger?

Do you understand that even you do not know you are the victim of Satan? You do not understand that you ARE Satan's prime target. You describe yourself as charming, wonderful in many respects, charismatic, alluring, gravity-defying yet somehow untainted by human political power.

You will be just another victim of Satan's enterprises and that is why I lament you and cry at the horror of how Satan is going to devastate you. I wish it was NOT you that Satan will deceive but he picks the person who gives him power. I feel sorry for you, although not the you that will be possessed almost completely by Satan.

I just wish it were not you, but that is how Scripture is going to be fulfilled. Honestly, I feel scared for you-the human being who naively accepts Satan's wishes. I feel so bad for you...but I can not help it-that is Scripture.

CHINT ILMS EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE FUCKED UP..PLEASE STOP OBBESSING OVER ME AND MY POSTS, PLEASE...I NEVER ATTACKED YOU, BUT YOU ATTACKED ME...GO AWAY...AND WHEN I SAY GO FUCK YOURSELF, I MEAN GO FUCKING FUCK YOURSELF, PLEASE GO DO DAMGAE TO YOURSELF BY GNAWING AWAY AT YOUR INSECURITIES RATHER TRYING TO TEAR ME AND MY PROPHECIES DOWN...IT IS APPARENT THAT YOU HAVE SOME PREJUDICE ON ME AND INSTEAD OF FIXATING ON ME AS A SOURCE OF UR PROBLEMS AND MENTAL CONFLICTS, GET FIXATED ON YOURSELF, SERIOUSLY...JUST GO AWAY...I JUST WANNA DEAL WITH YOU AS NON-VIOLENTLY AS POSSIBLE...AND SO I WILL ASK YOU TO GET SO WARPED UP IN UR SELFSIH AGENDAS TO TEAR PEOPEL DOWN THAT YOU WILL ULTIMATELY DESTROY YOURSELF...OK???? GO AWAY FROM US. BIATCH.....JUST LEAVE GOD'S CHOOSEN ALONE, PLEASE..YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WRATH GOD IS GOING TO POUR OUT FOR YOU...GO AWAY BITACH

OH AND I AM 3/4'S BLACK, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT OBAMA IS AND I AM GOOD-LOOKING-THE MIZED BREED PRODUCES REALLY GOOD LOOKING ONE'S...

YOU KNOW CHINT ILMS MANY OTHERS HERE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT OBAMA BEIGN THE ANTICHRIST BUT YOU HAVE BEEN FIXATED ON ME SICNE DAY ONE, WHY IS THAT????????? WHAT DO U HAVE AGAISNT ME?????

I always knew no-name was a closet ALLCAPS person.

"I NEVER ATTACKED YOU, BUT YOU ATTACKED ME"

I have never attacked you. In fact, I have been praying for you since you first posted. Why do you hate it when people pray?

"OH AND I AM 3/4'S BLACK, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT OBAMA IS AND I AM GOOD-LOOKING-THE MIZED BREED PRODUCES REALLY GOOD LOOKING ONE'S..."

Sigh. More Pride.

"AND WHEN I SAY GO FUCK YOURSELF, I MEAN GO FUCKING FUCK YOURSELF, PLEASE GO DO DAMGAE TO YOURSELF BY GNAWING AWAY AT YOUR INSECURITIES RATHER TRYING TO TEAR ME AND MY PROPHECIES DOWN"

And more Anger. Satan's Power is strong in you, but I know he will not be victorious.

I'm getting a mental image of the crazy LA(?) public television guy with the bible the size of a phonebook. Kept cussing out the callers and telling them he "comes through Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit." Can't find the clip, though.

Barak Obama is not the anti-christ. Everyone knows that this honor belongs to Ton Hanks. Barak Obama--like duh--is actually the Star Child of a space alien left behind from the Mothership.

His mission is foil the plans of the Nose and join with Mr. Wiggles the Worm to help humanity attain a state of maggot brain.

"Everybody's got a little light under the sun!"

Ton Hanks?

"Satan's Power is strong in you, but I know he will not be victorious."

To take advantage of the Force, one must study all sides, not merely the supposed "Light" side of the Force. This is why created yins AND yangs.

Chint Ilms, this shall be my final comment. While ther were other people here who also claimed that Obama was the Anti-Christ, YOu never commented about praying for them. However, when I came around you started attacking me. Why? Why not also pray for those others who have made similiar posts? Why, me? Why this fixation on me? Such is your solipsistic opinion of me, that you have enver even bothered to check up on the facts i gathered about Obama. Never once have you been ABLE TO ATTACK THE THINGS I SAID oBAMA-YOU NEVER EVEN DID YOUR DAMN RESEARCH TO prove what i said, which goes to show everyone that it is not Satan you are concerned about so much putting me down. Why? Your name Chint Ilms appears on other posts-only in those you have reveresed the letter to your name...everyone take a look at this post which you guys will see above as well: Notice how chint Illms has reveresed the letters of the name-you also see this on other posts.

"I have had many visions lately about Barack Obama, and God has lead me to realize that Obama is truly a Righteous Man of God.

I have learned that Satan is attempting to smear Obama by making people think that Obama is evil or the antichrist, in order to draw attention away from the REAL AntiChrist who is even now growing in our midst. We must RESIST Satan's evil lies!!

Posted by: Sllim Hctim at October 24, 2006 12:25 PM "

I myself have a feeling that Chint Ilms is JEALOUS because no one has made a big deal about his/her comments on-line. Now she is trying to destroy what I am saying not exactly for everyone's sake but for hers. You will see in many posts that is desparately trying to steal the attention that my opening remarks about Obama and my alleged ability to prohpecy. Why is this Chint Ilms making these posts to attack what I say all the time? I noticed that Chint Ilms did not begin to comment until my very second post to which someone called me a "seeker." I think she is jealous because my posts are getting attention and she is some attention starved hystrionic bitch.........look at all those posts and look at all those names.....?????????????????????????? Chint Ilms is a loser who has no fucking life and she is tearing tryingt o tear me down WOW i am getting outta this post.......

"Chint Ilms is a loser who has no fucking life and she is tearing tryingt o tear me down"

Why would I want to tear you down? I love you. That's why I continue to pray for you. I've never called you a loser or told you to fuck off or anything else hostile. All I have done is to try to Save you from Satan's Lies.

Blessed indeed are the meek in Spirit.

I just wasted an hour of my time to find out how off-the-mark on what is important you all are.

I knew that people think as convoluted as you all do long before I started, but the fascination of your references to weird gnomes in weird books kept me going much longer than I should. I will have to give account of how I spent this past hour one day.

To whom are you anticipating giving such account?

God, of course.

Or, as his friends call him, Barack Obama.

how off-the-mark on what is important you all are.

If you think there is anything more important than the fact that we found the antichrist in the midwest, then you are the one with mixed up priorities.

I believe that this man is indeed the antichrist, put here for one reason alone, to control a superpower.True, he is a handsom and articulate gent. BEWARE. War is coming. War like you have not dreamed of will sweep us up within the decade. God help us all.

This is my favorite thing about fundies (and I know a lot of them, my dad was a fundie traveling evangelist who cris-crossed the entire country for 25 years preaching, and I went with him most summers). A lot of them think they can prophesy.

And what's this "War is coming" bit? War is already here! We've had two of 'em, just in the last five years! We don't really have the troops for more war, so I doubt much more war is coming, at least not the big globe-encompassing conflagaration you dream of when you forget to take your anti-psychotic meds. Maybe we'll nuke Iran, but that will be G.W.B., not the man of your fevered nightmares, Baraock Oboaaeknmama. Or however the hell you idiots spell it. Truely.

Muslims can claim all they want that it is their culture and not their religion that inflicts torture upon people. That is not true.

You're right! It's OUR culture that inflicts torture upon people, apparently. (c.f. Abu Ghraib, Bagram Airbase, Lindy England, Charles Grainer, etc...)

He is even worse than those Democrats who truly think they are Christians yet subscribe to abortion

How much is that abortion subscription? Is it a monthly?

Damn, I'd like to subscribe. Where do I sign up? Do they ship a doctor and surgical instruments to you? Is it like a "Wine of the month" club, where you get a different variety of abortion each shipment? Awesome!

"Chimt Illms"

I'm tempted to find out what I missed, but i think it was what someone else missed (taking) that is important here. Not sure which one of them. probably both.

anyhow,

Obama is the man.

even if he is the antichrist, aren't you lot supposed to be psyched, 'cause you're saved or something.

Chill out already, the worst that could happen is pretty much unavoidable at this point anyhow.

Nice to see so many responses re. my last posting!

Obama as the Anti-christ... We are still two years away from the next US Presidential election. No one is prepared to believe that a candidate from a racial minority, with an Arab sounding name can be the next US President.
(Cala: My father was born and raised in the Caribbean, no prejudice here!!)

Ask yourself these questions: Is America less likely to vote for another Republican administration? If we vote Democrat, are we more likely to choose our first female President (Hillary Clinton) or a candidate belonging to a visible minority?

We are raising these issues now but dont expect anyone to take us seriously. Just like everyone laughed when one month post Sept. 11, I wrote that we will invade Iraq and create a highly unpopular war. That religious fanaticism and propaganda will rise. That the Middle East will become a battleground, prime to host a global conflict. Russia, China, Korea, Iran, Syria and other Islamic countries will form one side of the conflict. America, Israel and other Western allies will form the other unofficial coalition.

The point is: it is still too early to convince people whether Obama is the prophesized Antichrist. Remember our conversations in three years...you will be amazed at the accuracy of this board's conclusion: The end times are here and one charismatic, influential leader will emerge and fulfill the role of antichrist and instigator to World War III!!

Garcon Jeer: I applaud you for knowing about his previous public appearances. Im sure his Illinois constituents would agree with you that he was in the spotlight before the 2004 Democratic primary; they voted him into office, right?
You should not take my words so literally...The great majority of people did not know of Obama before 2004. In fact, most could not recognize his picture on a recent cover of Time magazine.

Till next time...

Adam

Ill have to agree with adam on this discussion. Considering many of the problems we face here in America are blamed on the black race, i find it ironic that a black man would bring destruction upon our world... I didn't know anything about Obama until recently (a couple weeks ago) and from everything i have heard about him i already believe he is the Anti-Christ. Although im only 17, i went to a strict Christian school for 5 years. im not some wigged out hippicrit, i dont attend church on sundays, but i do believe in god and refuse to take his name in vein. but i do have one question...

With so many people thinking he is the Anti-Christ this early in the 'game', would it not be likley for some craised person to try and kill him? would all attempts prove useless? it just seems unlikly to me that so many people think he is the anti-christ that no one else has had this question as well.

For those losers with no lives out there, i am not insisting that i'm going to be the one to do it either! and if i was planning some murderous plot, i wouldn't be dumb enough to post it on the web! lol

I don't know. I heard Obama is a servent of Santa.

The Claus, meet Jon.

That's what I get for just skimming this nutball comment thread and not actually reading it all the way through.

Has anyone made a Cthulhu joke yet?

The point is: it is still too early to convince people whether Obama is the prophesized Antichrist.

Here's a question. How much of Revelation is supposed to be taken literally, here (however one goes about taking Revelation "literally)? As I remember it, the Antichrist is supposed to arrive after a whole series of woes and earth-shaking cataclysms, and to be preceded by a pair of fire-breathing dead-and-risen supernatural prophets in Jerusalem, celestial visions of the Messiah's rebirth and Satan's war in heaven, and so on.

If Revelation is supposed to be prophecy entire, then why are people already looking for an Antichrist who's only supposed to arrive toward the end of the apocalypse? If it isn't supposed to be prophecy entire but is on some level symbolic of mundane historical events, then why are people supposed to care about your assumption that the Antichrist is a specific, apocalyptic prophesied figure? It's never made sense to me.

you made a lot of sense in that post Doctor Slack... but umm... a few parts were a little too intelligent for me, haha, could you please say them in a different, more stupefied way

"supposed to be prophecy entire" & "on some level symbolic of mundane historical events"

The point, adam, is this: silly Christians scamper about pretending to identify the anti-Christ, forgetting that if they were to read Revelation entirely, and take the prophecy as a whole literally, then it's pointless to identify the anti-Christ until after several other events have happened. Those events haven't happened.

If you don't want to take the rest of Revelation literally (what with the fire-breathing prophets and all), then why take this part so literally? Should you still be clucking about the bear and the eagle, and how that means something of doom for the Soviet Union and the United States?

I think some people need to calm down.

I was wondering, why is everyone worrying about who the antichrist is in the first place. I mean, if you are truly a Christian, then you will be going to heaven and being with our Savior. If you're not, then you'll be finding out whenever the truth comes out. Patience is a virtue. :)

Have a nice day.

Lets not turn this into a Catholic only prediction. Judaism, Christianity and yes, even Islam share similar predictions of an Apocalypse.

Dr. Slack: The various scriptures, including Revelations, say that the antichrist appears as the world is on the edge of destruction. Like many others, I have already spent years observing events that mark the last years of our latest Tribulation.

How do we know it is time?
THe Bible says the generation that witnesses the "chosen people" return to what is now Israel, will witness the final battle. Recall that in 1967, the UN created Israel as a place for Jews displaced by the Holocaust, to live.

The Middle East will become the battleground. Oh, and by the way, the first ever Church was discovered last year in Israel, in the city of Armageddon!

Bye 4 now!

Cala, in the Bible the antichrist does not rise near the end of the Apocalypse. He will come onto the scene and bring peace to the world, namely by solving the Israel-Palestine problem.

And to the Christians, if you think your going to be raptured up right before the tribulation like in a Left Behind novel, your wrong. It's my conclusion that a Rapture will indeed happen, but at the very end of the Tribulation right before Jesus comes down from Heaven. I recently attended a series of meetings at a local church led by an end times expert. He poked so many holes in the Left Behind version of things it made me feel sorry for all the people who believe that's how it's going down. Really think about it, if one day millions or billions of people who identified themselves as Christians disappeared from thin air, don't you think the majority of people would be saying "Man, those Christians were right, better get saved and watch out for the anti christ."

Anyway, the fact this thread even exists proves Obama isn't the antichrist. This guy is going to come out of NOWHERE, not spend 4 years in the U.S. Senate and then become President, then go on to rule the world. The stage is just about set for him though, and Bush has done a great deal of work to prepare the stage. Here's how I think it will go: Iraq continues to fall further into chaos, we eventually pull all our troops out. Saudi Arabia enters the country, as does Iran. The entire Middle East erupts into full fledge war, with nuclear weapons being used. At the same time in the U.S., the dollar will plummet and the economy will tank hard. We will then join with Mexico and Canada in a North American Union type of deal. Needless to say we will hardly be a world power anymore. So as the world continues it's downward spiral into hell, a man will arise and command everybody's attention. He well bring peace to the Middle East, and of course bring peace between Israel and the rest of the world. This peace will last for 3 1/2 years as the antichrist builds his world government body. There will of course be an underground resistment to him which will consist of many religious people, and not just Christians but Muslims too. He will use that to declare war on religion, outlaw it in any fashion, and demand the world worship him. Of course he will be extremely hard on Jews, simply killing them won't be enough, he will round them up and torture them. That will go on until Jesus comes down with the freshly raptured believers and puts an end to it, he then will set up his kingdom on Earth for 1000 years.

These are just my predictions at this time, I realize that a majority of people will think I'm a nut and so on. That's fine, it doesn't bother me in the least.

Adam says: Like many others, I have already spent years observing events that mark the last years of our latest Tribulation.

Now we're getting somewhere. So Revelation isn't entirely prophecy to you, you see much of it as symbolizing stuff that has already actually happened. How much of it, exactly? And why should we agree with you as to how much is symbolism and how much isn't?

THe Bible says the generation that witnesses the "chosen people" return to what is now Israel, will witness the final battle.

Where? Revelation is quite specific that Gog and Magog's siege of Jerusalem happens after the Messiah returns and rules the world with the martyrs for a thousand years. Is the present generation going to live for over a millennium, or is Revelation only being figurative, or has the millennium already happened, or... what?

Recall that in 1967, the UN created Israel...

1948. Yes, you've really been "observing."

Jolly Rancher: Cala, in the Bible the antichrist does not rise near the end of the Apocalypse.

Revelation has him appearing very late in the game indeed, after the world has been turned upside and humans reduced to living in caves, the seas and a third of the rivers have already been turned to blood (once), a plague of human-headed locusts has swept out of the Abyss, and so on.

I think you're right that the "Left Behind" enthusiasts aren't going to get the Rapture they're hoping for, but what makes your version of the apocalypse more believable? Presumably you don't think Revelation should be taken entirely literally and as just a prediction of future events either; so which parts are which, and why should others believe you?

an end times expert

Um, okay.

I think they're part of the Symbology Department at Harvard.

some of you people get it. most of you don't. we are on the cusp of armegeddon. forget about the antichrist for a minute. take a look around you. just look at how society has degenerated. the asian tsunami was definately an angel blowing one of the trumpets. earthquakes, floods.......... at an alarming and ever-increasing rate. the better question is, how are we preparing ourselves? my advice to all of you is to get your heart right firstly, then learn wilderness survival skills, 'cause you're gonna need them. the world as you know it will soon be no more.

we are on the cusp of armegeddon. [...] take a look around you. just look at how society has degenerated.

Congratulations on your powers of perception. This observation has been made by people every year for the past two thousand.

But not with such a high degree of certainty surely! I mean look -- obviously the people in past years who predicted collapse were wrong, as evidenced by the subsequent course of events. But shouldn't Bsolo's certainty be evaluated on its own merits, without reference to his predecessors?

The clearest sign of the impending apocalypse is that this silly-ass post has nearly 250 comments attached to it.

all of you all are crazy!!!!!!!!

Cala, in the Bible the antichrist does not rise near the end of the Apocalypse. He will come onto the scene and bring peace to the world, namely by solving the Israel-Palestine problem.

Curiously, the Israel-Palestine problem isn't mentioned anywhere in Revelation. Really. Other things that are not mentioned include the United States, al-Qaeda, Barack Obama, and DoubleStuf Oreos.

maybe "Mabus" is "Oba`maBus`h"!!! hahahaha crazy ppl, your dying the day you are born, quit worring about the Apocalypse. You'll forget to live while you can.

Re DoubleStuf, please see Revelation 5:1 -- "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a cookie, and within it was creme filling."

Funny, the only passages that refer to "antichrist" are 1 John 2:18, 1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:3, and 2 John 1:7... nope, no "antichrist" in Revelation. There is certainly a "spirit" of antichrist, but the one to watch for will be the Beast - not a singular person, but a world system whereby those professing faith in Jesus the Christ will suffer great persecution. Nope, no actual "mark." Exodus 13:16, in relation to a person's identification, "It shall be as a mark on your hand or frontlets between your eyes..." By what you put your hand to, or by what you believe, that drives your actions will identify you. When it's time for those involved to bring this system to power to arise, they will arise regardless of how we vote. It's incumbent upon us as believers to prepare ourselves - to be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might - with a firm grasp of scripture and led by the Holy Spirit in order that we may stand firm in the day of trouble. Nope, no "rapture," either - that was never an idea until 1830, and never taught by the early church fathers. In any case, it's likely that you and I and many others who read this will be long dead of natural causes before Christ returns to establish His kingdom... the world is messed up, but it's not ready yet for a world system (despite all the hysteria about the Bilderberger's, skull & bones.... woooooooooo........). Let's get past the politicizing and focus on what's important - loving people as Christ sees them, "baptizing and making disciples of all nations."

Many people seem to know very little about what prophecy truly is, and others just cannot spell REVELATION [no s at the end of the word] right. Prophecy isn't what many people see as this crazy revelation from God where everything is revealed. Actually a prophecy is usually a warning against people. When someone prophecies, they see something going on in the world and then can see where a particular situation could go awry. Also, if you really want to read about the end of the world, then read 1 and 2 Thessalonians. Here are some things to think about: Why would God have a book written if it didn't apply to the people of that time? If Tim LaHaye really believed that the end of the world was going to come today, then why won't he just give his books away? Please tell me, how many times is the term "Anti-Christ" mentioned in Revelation? And if you all are trying to use the whole Tim LaHaye, futurist view of Revelation, can someone please tell me why you cannot just stick to one book of the Bible...which would be Revelation. I would also like to point out that there is not just one particular view of Revelation. There are 4 standard views. The futurist, the preterist, the historicist, and the idealist. The futurist view is what you all have so eloquently described to the world, and is also the reason why a lot of people won't choose Christianity. [Something about God predetermining how many people will be saved after the "rapture" happens. btw, could someone also show me where they found that? and put it into context. They don't like the thought of God creating genocide against others...if He is a loving God...which I believe He is.] The preterist view says that Revelation only deals with the events going around the people who wrote it at the time. [i.e. if 666 is transliterated from the Greek and into the Hebrew it comes out to be Nero. Who was an evil ruler around or a little after the time Revelation was written.] There is the historicist view, where the events of Revelation coincide with specific events of the history of the church. And there is the idealist view, where this is only viewed as a metaphor for the continual struggle between good and evil. Most of these views are oftentimes combined. Like LaHaye's Left Behind is a mixture between idealist and futurist. This is the popular belief today among popular Christianity, but not one reputable scholar will back up LaHaye's view. Who to believe? That is everyone's choice. I would like to raise one last question, what would people rather believe? The Bible is some secret code book or the Bible is a historical document full of theology. I know people will try to twist this around and make it look like I am a bad guy or whatever, but I am just spouting off possibilities. None of us really know what's going to happen when the end of the world happens, but I do know that if we continue to demonize other people then we will create a hell of our own on earth. Instead of debating such topics any further, I will go and help people to make this world a better place. I hope many of you will do the same. Shalom.

I just curious, can anyone give me a summary of what characteristics determine who the antichrist is? This is not a retoricle question. I am currious. I would also like to get opinions from you all.
I'm not completly framiliar with revelations. From what I've been told by my father, this individual will unite the entire world under one government and one religion. Is this true?
Also, when I think of an antichrist, I think of purely evil individual. If this is the case, how is Obama evil in your eyes. Going on that idea, why would Bush jr. not be considered an antichrist. I ask for these reasons.

That shall not kill: He's done alot of killing. Estimated at over 30,000 in Iraq alone.

Thou shall not steal: Many things from Iraqis and Afghanis. Life, family, dignity, jobs, wether or not you think it's for the good.

Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor: Discrediting and smear campaigns against individuals who oppose his policies; Such as Joe Wilson.

Thall shall not covet thy neighbors goods:
We can talk about alot of things here. Cutting benifits for the poor a giving rediculous tax breaks to the rich. Stealing our freedoms in the name of security.

I don't mean to upset anyone here, I just want to get your responses.

Also, how is it people here can think that Obama will unite the world? Do some of you actually think he can do this? I can tell you that I certainly do not beleive this will ever happen in our lifetime.

I just finished watching a talk by Obama from the c-Span archive. When he speaks extemporaneously, he uses a lot of 'um's and long pauses, and then what comes out is some simplistic platitude. His message is about tone rather than content. He might be another Bill Bradley, an academic overachiever who got to go to Princeton because he was one of the country's best basketball players; he never would have been admitted to Princeton as a normal student with the SAT scores he had. Obama graduated from Harvard Law School magna cum laude; however, this was in an age of grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if 1/4 of the HLS students graduated cum laude or better when Obama went there. No doubt Obama did well in law school. But it may be that, in an age of affirmative action for minorities, athletes and legatees, Ivy Leaguers Bradley (SAT 485v), GWBush (566v; 640m), and Obama have been rated more highly than they truly deserve to be. [Gore by way Gore scored 625v; 730m]. Obama was raised by wealthy white grandparents in Hawaii, and he attended an elite private school. Wanna bet that his SAT scores were so low that but for preferential admission he (along with Bush and Bradley) would have been rejected by Ivy League schools? Surely eventually someone will hack into Columbia or HLS and publish Obama's SAT results. The main thing that prompted this post, in any event, was how disappointed I was after listening to Obama speak. So far I see little to support the hype enveloping him. Sorry, Antichrist crusaders....

So, unorthodox, where did you go to school, and what were your SAT scores?

Wanna bet that his SAT scores were so low that but for preferential admission he (along with Bush and Bradley) would have been rejected by Ivy League schools?

Yeah, I'll take that bet.

There is something most people are missing in regard to this Anti-Christ thing. The Beast of Revelation is Islam, and the Devil is making for himself an UNHOLY TRINTY to mock the Most High. The Beast, The False prophet, and the Anti-Christ. I studied this 10 years before 911 and I can tell you that the coming Islamic Messiah - the Al Mahdi, will be the Anti-Christ. He will call fire down from heaven and say he is God. The False Prophet will claim to be Jesus returned to give glory to the Beast. Just ask a Muslim friend who Al Mahdi is and then go read the book of revelation concerning the Abomination of desolation. That ought to tell you something.
Obama may or may not have a roll in it, but any spirit who denies Christ is the spirit of Antichirst.

Just ask a Muslim friend . . .

Wait. You have Muslim friends?

And do these friends of yours know you consider their religion to be the Beast of Revelation?

I can't believe some are actually entertaining the anti-christ possibility. You people are certifiable.

michael. Please don't have children. If you have them. give them up for adoption. You are whats wrong with the world. YOu should be locked up you dangerous, insane whatever. "Beast of revelation?" you honestly believe this nonsense?

We're all gonna die. And dudes like michael are going to kill us.

Think about it this way: if Barack Obama *weren't* the Anti-Christ, how would he be able to mesmerize so many people with his political spells? He gives one simple speech at the DNC in 2004 and suddenly he is the most powerful man in the world. Obviously he is harnessing the powers of witchcraft/sorcery/Satan to do his bidding. So the only logical conclusion is that he is in fact being deceived into doing Satan's bidding (or maybe he is doing it KNOWINGLY!). If you think about it you will realize this means he must be the anti-Christ. Soon we will see the Whore of Babylon (Hillary Clinton) riding into power on his shoulders (both literally and figuratively), and then the prophesy will be fulfilled. I predict they will begin stamping the citizenry with the mark of the Beast as soon as politically feasible. Probably that is a large part of why they want us to surrender to the terrorists in the Iraq -- so all those troops can be deployed here in America to put down any resistance among the citizenry when they bring out the branding irons marked "666". *Also*, a side benefit is that if we surrender and the terrorists take over in the Middle East it will bring us one step closer to the final defeat of the state of Isreal and the beginning of the reign of the Beast. If you just STOP AND THINK about this it all makes perfect sense.

That last comment was intended as parody, but now that I've gone back and read a few more of the comments in this thread, I'm not sure it really works. Hmm.

Smart Alec,
Actually the Leader of IRAN wants to brand everyone on the forehead who are not Muslims. This is not a joke. Go check it out for your selves.

Obama is a christian a member of Trinty Church in Chicago, under Paster Jer. Wright.
Anti-christ...you people are sick. Its funny i bet you're quoting revelations,labeling an innocent man the anti-christ like you are everday christ-like people not committing sins...like sowing bad seeds of negativity about your neigbhor...read your bible from begining to end and not just revelations or are your lives so crappy that you guy are all ready to go to hell with fire and brimstone...

Hilary is gnashing at the teeth, she will have Barack Obama done in just like she got rid of JFK jr, shes the true antichrist , i guarentee it!!

(I'm banking on its being Cheney, myself.)

Just ask a Muslim friend . . .

Wait. You have Muslim friends?

And do these friends of yours know you consider their religion to be the Beast of Revelation?

Posted by: M/tch M/lls at December 13, 2006 04:39 PM

It's odd that our society uses SAT scores to evaluate who -- other than athletes, disadvantaged minorities and legatees -- should be admitted to the best colleges but not who should be nominated for President. Better perhaps to use IQ testing for both, or for neither. In any event, America needs to select its leaders from among the best and the brightest rather than from a pool of mediocre intellects like Bush, Kerry, Bradley, Reagan -- and possibly Barack Obama. One thing we know about the Anti-Christ: he's real smart.

If a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School who was editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review is a "mediocre intellect", who would you consider smart?

"LOOK, CHINT ILMS found someone new to attack"

Are you still upset with Chimt Illms for loving and praying for you? Because you should know that others are also praying for you and that your Immortal Soul will be redeemed from the Father of Lies.

I can't believe that I'm at the end of this blog already. I found it a couple of days ago and have been hooked! What great entertainment. Especially no name's battle with her own belief(please don't ostracise me No Name it's a simple observation and, yes, an opinion) Wow! good stuff. Please write more.

For those of you just wondering, no, I don't have a life and, yeah, I do just read blogs for great entertainment, nevermind where I stand on the topic. Sad and pathetic, yes. But it suits me just fine.

"from Many, one" Anti-Christ. After all this IS 'merica, and we DESERVE to have the ownership and trade rights to the real Anti-Christ. Which nation has mandated more unborn to be murdered than any other nation on the face of the planet? And why exactly is "abortion on demand" the high sacrament of the fabian socialists?

Which nation has mandated more unborn to be murdered than any other nation on the face of the planet?

My money would be on China.

"LOOK, CHINT ILMS found someone new to attack"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

And why exactly is "abortion on demand" the high sacrament of the fabian socialists?

It's not.

Although probably you were looking for an answer something like this:

Because we need the blood to make matzos!

Dimwit.

ok...that last comment was funny

I really believe Obama is the antichrist because one we dont know where he came from and how is he becoming a senator and how is he running for president i thought you had to be an American citizen. I know he is the antichrist and we all need to be ready for the great and terrible day of the lord and promise me if you believe in god youll be saved.

we dont know where he came from

He was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

how is he becoming a senator

He was in the Illinois State Senate from 1996 to 2004. He "becoming a senator" by getting more votes than Alan Keyes when he ran in 2004.

how is he running for president

The same as everybody else.

i thought you had to be an American citizen

See, that whole being born in Hawaii thing up there? That qualifies.

I was concerned that Obama may be the antichrist, but do you really believe that not voting for him will keep prophecy from being ful-filled?

I actually can't wait to vote for him! Who's to say Bush isn't the antichrist. He's done everything prophesized besides make us wear a mark on our forehead and hands and proclaim that he is God in the temple, but remember he still has two years!

Barak Obama the antichrist. Hmm...if Sean Hannity were not such a hugely flaming homosexual who likes hump it Greek style, maybe he could save the world from The Evil Barak and his minions.

Not that there is anything wrong with Sean Hannity being a man who loves ass, preferably decked in black leather and harnesses. No no no, far from it. I think it's marvelous.

And not that there is anything wrong with Obama. Hey, somebody's got to be the Antichrist, otherwise the Bible is all wrong, right?

J'ai trouve cette site completement par hasard et malheureusement mon anglais est tres mauvais, dieu me pardonne, butt I beleive senateur Obbama is a gud man.

the antichrist is Nicolas Sarkozy. Sarko he is not from France he is Hungarian, one says butt I do not beleive it. He is very ambitieux, he has always been it, and he is just waiting for his chance for power! He pretends to pretty-pretty but he is a false-Catholic and waits for rule of France! And her nucleaur armes!

Please all peoples, pray to defeat Sarkozy, I fear he is the antichrist who rises him.

--Jeanne

As soon as i heard of him and saw him, before i even knew that he was so influential, i thought "The Anti-Christ". The similarites are ridiculous. Just keep your eyes & ears open, that's all I'm saying... and Don't fall for his "bullshit".

The similarites are ridiculous

Among the list of things about this thread that are ridiculous, the similarites between Mr. Obama and the Son of Sam are not even in the running for top spot.

Weren't the Similarites a successor empire to the Hittites? I think a popular pejorative for them at the time was "The Dittoheads".

Of course, all those ancient empires look the same to me . . . .

you people are all bat-shit insane! go found a colony somewhere and leave america to the non-culties!

J'♥ J. Ackmormon!

Hey, here is soem hope for people who beleive that Obama WILL BE infected completely with the spirit of Anti0Christ (as the poor man does not know yet). Hang in there-and delight in the day that u ddi nto take this man's mark or bowed before him, for surely u still have a shot a salvatin lest u lose allllllll faith...,anyway....I think Chint Ilms is gonna take the mark....then she will be before the great ones who shall rule her skanky ass...

I'm glad to see you back, but it pains me that our prayers have not worked yet to ease the Pride and Anger that is so clearly in your Heart. It's so Sad that you've been reduced by the Evil One into only being able to shout obscenities at those who Love you. I don't care that you think I have a skanky ass, that doesn't matter, I only care about the Salvation of your Soul.

But we will not be Dissuaded into Discouragement, for Satan's Power will surely fail against God's Might!

He is an antichrist and a NIGGER. I don't caree if he went to Jew-run Harvard. The day a NIGGER controls the white house is the day America falls to the antichrist. Praise Jesus.

Praise Jesus.

You praise Jesus? That Jewish guy? Good. Here's a story about him:

And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. (Mark 12:28-31)

And here's more about Him:

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour? And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise. (Luke 10:25-37)

I recommend you do lots more reading about Jesus before you again use His name to justify your hate.

Nostradamus predicted that the person who will be responsible for the end of the world will have a name similar to osama. many thought it would be osama bin laden. he also said hussein would be part of the name so then many thought it would saddam hussein. the full name - Barack Hussein Obama. if he is elected president, 2012 will be his fourth year in office. another prediction was that everybody would look up to and admire the guy and that he would have done something wrong that people look down on at first then look over it. what that was, was barack admitting to using weed and cocaine as a teenager a few weeks ago. now it has been forgotten. it was also said that his ethnicity would be of a turban wearing race. the race barack comes from is a turban wearing race in africa.

That last comment takes the cake for silliness, quote me the exact quatrain where Nostradamus predicts that, I want to see some real reference and research material coming from ur direction. Kenyans are a turban wearing race??? Dude/Missy I spent over 4 years in Kenya and I can assure that Kenyans are not a turban wearing race. Check your facts before u post.

Lots of good and interesting points about Anti-Christ except there is one problem. . .the anti-Christ isn't mentioned in Revelation. . .not once. There is the False Prophet in Revelation. Anti-Christ however is mentioned in 1 John-

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

I somehow feel responsible.

I'm glad to see you back, but it pains me that our prayers have not worked yet to ease the Pride and Anger that is so clearly in your Heart. It's so Sad that you've been reduced by the Evil One into only being able to shout obscenities at those who Love you. I don't care that you think I have a skanky ass, that doesn't matter, I only care about the Salvation of your Soul.

But we will not be Dissuaded into Discouragement, for Satan's Power will surely fail against God's Might!

Posted by: Chimt Illms at December 18, 2006 04:20 PM

In 2008, I have a strong feeling that Barack and Hillary will be in a government building(senate house) possibly. Hillary will just be standing there while Barack gets all of the favortism. I don't know if this man is the antichrist or not, but his role in the future will be very "important". Just an opinion

I scratch my head in disbelief that Kaye Grogan has not made her way to this thread.

I like that Jon takes sort of the "Clue" approach to prophesy. That's refreshing.

Of course it's imperative now to make sure that Kaye Grogan does find this thread, no matter how long it takes.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
(The unholy trinity)

"unclean spirits like frogs"

I'd forgotten that revelation, perhaps Jeanne was right about one of the new frenchie politicians. My money would be on the socialists, always, they pose the greatest danger to American freedom and righteous living. The socialist this time around to worry about is a beautiful woman named Royal, which is a very Bad sign, also her brther was a terrorist. Look it up!

Anyone who reads the Bible and puts it into extreme literal translation should be shot. Honestly, something that was written so long ago and manipulated by so many should not be abused like that.
How can you live when you are constantly arguing on blogs about when we are all going to die? Get up, brush off the dust, and go live your life.

If ya think the guy is the antichrist, is there anything you can do about it? No.

Barak is a former Muslim, converted to Christianity as a college student.

The press will not talk about his Muslim background for two reasons. The press is liberal.
The press is running scared of Islamists.

Watch for the following:
Press acknowledging that Islam and Jihad are the real problem in the Middle EAst, Europe, and the US
Dems then market Barak as man of peace, the only Christian who understands Islam and can resolve the knotty problem of "civil rights" vs. "religious rights"...he is known for civil rights work.

Barak is a former Muslim, converted to Christianity as a college student.

And despite what that soft-hearted liberal Ann Coulter might tell you, you can't trust Muslims even after they convert. This is because they have a black, oily substance in their veins instead of blood, and subsist on the flesh of white babies. I heard Debbie Schlussel say it, so I'm betting it's true.

I have no problem with a Muslim convert..most I know are more faithful in their Christianity than the Christians I know.
I have no reason to doubt Barak's conversion to Christianity. However, I am concerned.

Barak is perfectly positioned as a man of peace...someone who understands Islam and Christianity. His reelection will be 3 1/2 years later. 3 1/2 years. just before the predicted
2012 return of the Muslim "messiah"

Also in 2012, London, the center of jihad and Islamist authority, will host the 2012 Olympic games. Islamists are building a 70,000 person mosque next door to the 80,000 Olympic stadium

Observations:
the holiest Islamic land is on seven hills
Islam beheads

Saudi has built Departments of Islamic studies in every US University, teaching anti-American, anti-Jew/Christian, pro-Islamist doctrine.

Saudi has built over 1,000 mosques in US cities, serving as jihad and terrorist recruiting and training grounds, with sermons that are violently anti-American/Jew/Christian and pro-Islamist, pro-Muslim global domination, pro-terrorism.

The liberals are falling into their trap. It's crazy...why would liberals support people who want to do away with civil rights, and kill all the gays?

They are using "separation of church and state" to promote a religion that doesn't believe in separation of church and state.

They are using "civil rights" and the ACLU to increase their rights so they can do away with civil rights.

They are using our religious laws to create "religious charities" that fool liberals into sending millions to terrorists on US and Europe soil.

You cannot separate Islam from Sharia law, anymore than you can separate Judaism from the Mosaic law, or Christianity from the Gospel.

Islamists have a well-documented plan. Increase Muslim population, secure favorable laws and civil rights that first protect them from Judeo-Christian rights and from the civil law, infiltrate the civil organizations, get elected, slant legistlation toward sharia law and favoring Muslims, eliminate the constitution.

Look at what happened in Lebanon. Look at what's happening in Turkey. Watch Europe. Wake up America.

check out www.islamism.org (Islamism in the US and how they are accomplishing their goals, legally)
www.jihadwatch.org (worldwide)

READ and SHARE with others:(all avail at amazon.com)
Be wise as serpents, innocent as doves.
Fight against Islamism, love Muslims and draw them to Christ, just as you would any lost person.

Terrorist Hunter (underground in America)
Why I Left Jihad
Londonistan
While Europe Slept
Menace in Europe

Well, then apostrophe, I stand corrected, and ask your forgiveness.

apostropher...
unintentional mistype on the moniker.

I personally believe that Barak is a man of character and integrity, even though I don't agree with everything he stands for.
I can't yet say I would cross over and vote for him, but if his intelligence is anything close to his charisma, then if he were elected--and personally I think he stands a good chance--I would pray that he would use that intelligence to find answers to the very, very difficult issues that will face America in the coming 8 years.

any more than you can separate Judaism from the Mosaic law

I know many Jews who eat pork and shellfish, and who look at their wives while having sex.

Islamists have a well-documented plan.

Crikey. I've always thought this anti-Muslim shit smacked of "international Jewish Communist" conspiracy theory, but I had no idea how true that really was. Amazing.

Well to tell the truth i just heard of this guy about 3 weeks ago and immediately I got a bad feeling about him. I'v been doing alittle research on him and he believes in unlimited abortion rights, and a few other issues which a so called christian would not believe in. I then stumbled upon an article on his website. The name of the article is Remarks of Senator Barack Obama: Take Back America. and in it is a very interesting a comment he makes in the sixth paragraph down the very first sentence. Read it and decide for yourself; I do not want to accuse someone of something and have it come back not to be true but people who claim to be christian would not make a comment like the one he made.

Yes; Christians are certainly not known for "consulting with higher powers", are they? I never heard George Bush or anybody like that make any claims about being told by God to make a particular decision.

I believe.......if he isnt the antichrist, then he damn sure knows who is. If you think about it.....Its about time for all of this to take place anyway, and Obama is my number 1 suspect, and has been ever since i first saw him. I believe he will run for president in 2008 and he WILL win. Its to perfect not to be something. Whatever you do........DONT VOTE FOR HIM! Not that it would matter anyway because, whats bound to happen, is going to most definatly happen. Pray for your salvation while you can, because its all about to come down.

Obama is my number 1 suspect, and has been ever since i first saw him.

Don't suppose the Negroid features had anything to do with that...

"Consulting with these higher powers." As there is more then one higher is pretty damn scary. If he decides to wait and run in 2012 either way i believe he will get into office.

Read more carefully, Hand. The other one is his wife. It's a joke.

what happens when christ and anti-chrrist combine...hmm...

...explosion and gamma rays...perhaps...

not purty...

Yes, He is the antichrist...I have a vision about him...Even before I knew who he was...

White Christians must beware of this dark hearted, dark skinned, dark faced man. He is surely the Anti-Christ. He is surely a tainted Negro animal who will plunge our great country into the dark black NIGGER abyss. I love Jesus, and when I saw his black face on the news being praised, I literally got sick. My stomach turned when I saw the Negro and I knew he was truly the anti-Christ. We must take back our country from NIGGERS. His black world must not destroy the light of white. Praise Jesus. I do not hate, I only speak the truth.

Listen, that's not gonna be the top comment on Apo's front page going into Christmas Eve. What a disgusting piece of work.

(And merry Xmas, Apostropher and Ch/mt and Dr. Slack and the rest of you crazy, crazy Christians.) (This should be a new offering from Milton Bradley, along the lines of Hungry, Hungry Hippos. Please let it happen Gott -- then my Xmas will be a merry one and my new year full of good cheer.)

Y'know, I'm becoming grateful that this thread has evolved as it has, because I believe it's important for people to realize exactly who they are aligning themselves with when they vote Republican.

Happy Holidays to all!

(The above salvo in the War on Christmas is dedicated to the Negro Anti-Christ Barack Obama. Make haste unto the Black Hour!)

Barack Obama is the antichrist. The number of the beast is 666.
Barack: 6 letters
Hussein: 7 letters
Obama: 5 letters
Take the average of all possible 3 digit combinations of 6, 7, and 5: 675+657+765+756+567+576= 3996/6 = 666.
(Using the same three numbers)
Also take 6+7+5=18. 666/18=37.
666x3=1998. 1998-37=1961.
In 1961 Barack Obama was born.
Finally, 6+7=13. And 13+5=18. 13 and 18.
Revelations 13:18- "This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666."

I made a mistake. There are actually 27 combinations. The total sum is 17982. The average is 666.
675 actually equals 666
675=666
6+7+5=6+6+6
18=18

675=666

Cool, so, if I write you a check for $666, you'll write me one for $675?

Happy Holidays, indeed.

Oh my God. That is the most completely awesome 666 calculation I've ever seen. I just damn near covered my monitor in egg nog.

Jay does not even mention the killer bit of numerology -- he referenced Revelation 13:18 -- but let's look at another book. Mark 13:18 says, "But pray ye that these things happen not in winter." in winter -- get it? It's winter now! Oh my god we're all doomed!

I didn't search Mark, amazing! Once I got a hit in Revelations ( a big hit), I stayed there.
Here's something I found last night.
6+7-5=8
6-7+5=4
Obama was born on the 8th month, on the 4th day in 1961.
6+7+5=18 666/18=37
3+7=10
Revelation: 10 letters
notice that 6,7,5 stay in order all the time.

the true anti-christ is the chiquita banana lady.
4011 is the PLU to bananas
if you take out the "0" you have three numbers...now we have 4+1+1=6 meaning this must come from Satan. I have also found that the Bananas In Pajamas are going in to help make her inverted trinity...everyone be on the lookout for the countries that supply the world's bananas because the Beast is definitely on the rise and in our supermarkets. Our children can also peel off stickers and put them onto their right hands or foreheads....just wait...the end is near!

Apostopher and Jay just out of curiousity what religion are you?

I'm not religious, but I was raised Baptist.

"not religious" is Apostrophese for Druidic.

(That is to say, "Obamic")

Hey Jay, uh yeah, the bible was translated. THe fact that 3 + 7=10 and there are ten letters in reveltio....wait...What was your point even?

You know Obama is the man, just look how everyoen has been railing by his side and he has yet to show how "magnificent" he really is. I think this is scary-come to Chicago-his and mine hometown- and you will see how nuts everyone goes after him-all after a man who has done NOTHING to prove himself!!! It is his aura of charm and charisma that moves them to rail around him-it is a spirtual thing that is going on.

Please, if you are going to talk about the book of Revelation...spell it right...there is no "s" at the end of the word.

Apostropher your not religious but u believe in the antichrist and the spiritual warfare?

I don't believe in the antichrist or spiritual warfare.

I don't believe in the antichrist or spiritual warfare.

No, no, "the" spiritual warfare.

I assume a priori that a handful of a priori assumptions can be made.

I dont assume a priori that no a priori assumptions can be made.

The antichrist as a mythic figure in a spiritual lesson is one thing that has reality to it. And so was the Emperor Nero, whom he symbolizes as well.

The Emperor Nero bit the dust a long time ago.

But Hitlers and Stalins have come and gone too.

I believe there will be more Neros, more Hitlers, more Stalins, more Antichrists. As long as human beings lust for power and put themselves in place of the Almighty, there will be Antichrists.

Barak Obama may like the applause and might even be slightly aroused while keeping his fingers near the trigger to the worlds largest nuclear arsenal, but he is no Hitler.

In fact I like some of the things he has to say.

Has anyone checked with those Bible Code people about searching for his name?

I can't believe this conversation has gone on for so long! I only just discovered it, a friend emailed me the link, and I've had quite a few good laughs out of it. The comics were especially brilliant, I must say.

But to my actual point: don't you children have anything better to do than argue about something that was intended to be purely metaphorical? The Bible makes it very clear Jesus came down to fix the rift that had formed between humanity and God; to show us that, basically, even though we are all sinners, God loves us anyway, and the days of fire and blood and brimstone and floods and other myriad forms of wrathful punishment have passed. He came to Earth to tell us that we aren't slaves to evil, that even though we might slip at times, God as our Heavenly Father loves us regardless. At least that's what His teachings read like. Pay attention as you read your Bibles, and you'll see that the version of God-as-Father that is present in Revelation hardly matches with the version of God-as-Father which Jesus himself presents - and who, after all, would know the personality and nature of God better than His own Son? Indeed, God in Revelation is presented far more like the God presented in the Old Testament than the one we see consistently throughout the New Testament, who loved us enough to send His only Son to repair the rift that had developed between Him and His creation.

Anyway, even if Mr. Obama should end up being the Antichrist, something which is highly doubtful considering the extremely symbolic nature of the ENTIRE Bible, it's rather late to do anything about that, now, isn't it? So I'd say live your lives while you have them, and rejoice that you'll be reunited with your maker soon enough. Lord knows the rest of us aren't letting it bother us enough to lose sleep over.

--Bella

You can bet if Obama runs in 08, he will win. Yes, he will win over hiliary and anyone else hes put against, because he is Muslim. I remember watching the news once, this was in November during the election. There was a video tape that was shown on the news with a terrorist saying "we wont stop untill we blow up the white house"

If there really is a single person that is "the" antichrist, he could be him if he runs in 08. BUT, if Arnold Schwarzenegger runs in 08 by some rare chance, forget all about Obama being the anticherist. My 2 cents

I remember watching the news once

Once.

BUT, if Arnold Schwarzenegger runs in 08 by some rare chance, forget all about Obama being the anticherist.

Because as we all know, Schwarzenegger is ten times more Islamofascistogenarian than Obama is, and will surely be wearing a suicide belt to his inauguration ceremony.

By some rare chance that he turns out to have been born in the United States and that whole Austria thing was a charade?

IT'S LONG, BUT IT MIGHT BE WORTH READING.

This conversation is pretty interesting to me. Not just because I've recently had suspicions of Obama, but because half the people here have no idea what they're talking about. I mean, everyone who's said stuff about Arnold Schwarzenegger being the anti-christ, and all that 666=675 bullcrap haven't really done they're homework. You guys can't really lose sleep over this, because no one knows for sure who the anti-christ is. Many things have led me to believe he may be the anti-christ, for example, like many people here know, "he" will promise hope for the world, and change. Because of this many people will flock to his side and worship him. So far that seems a bit like Obama. Another example is that he Bible says that the anti-christ will arise a century after Israel becomes its own faction or nation. In the Bible, a century is 40 years. When did Israel become an official nation? 1968. What is 40 years after 1968? 2008. What is 2008? The presidential elections of the U.S. Who's most likely going to win those elections? Barack Obama. But one thing that puzzles me is that the Bible states that the anti-christ will not be interested in women. Which either means he's gay or will be single his whole life. In fact, Obama has a wife. So all the people here that go off and speculate that he's the anti-christ just because he offers hope, and in some people's point of view, because he's black, doesn't mean he's the anti-christ. If he does end up being the anti-christ. So be it, and I won't be that surprised. But if all of you guys are religious and believe in the anti-christ, why are you spending your life speculating people that could very well just be who they say they are. Obama might just be a man who wants to change the world. Either way, live your life to it's fullest. This is like that whole Ronald Reagen crap.

Another example is that he Bible says that the anti-christ will arise a century after Israel becomes its own faction or nation. In the Bible, a century is 40 years. When did Israel become an official nation? 1968. What is 40 years after 1968? 2008. What is 2008? The presidential elections of the U.S.

Do I really need to point out that, by its definition, the word century has never meant 40 years, and that the common term for a traditional 40-year measure in the Bible is "generation" not "century?"

Do I also need to point out that Israel became a state in 1948?

By your own deeply disturbed mental processes, the Anti-Christ was George H.W. Bush and he completely boned the whole job.

Please, if you're going to sit around barfing out weird shit, at least put enough effort into it that you don't have to be corrected by the pagans.

OK, I confess that the snippy tone was there simply because I enjoy stirring up the hornet's nest.

The first time I saw Obama, I can admit I thought he had potential to become the anti-christ. I was 18 at the time and in Goverment class. A year later I saw him yet again in TIME, and this just encouraged the idea more. I believe that the anti-christ will be a well loved and well intentioned individual, but so many are missing the point...OK, PEOPLE, LISTEN! The anti-christ DOES NOT become evil untill AFTER satan re-encarnates his body. That means that if Obama IS the anti-christ, he is just simply a man now, NOT evil.This means there is nothing to fear just yet, and esp. not for chritians-as our faith lets us know we have nothing to fear. Sure, if he is, there will be signs, but thankfully, I won't be around to see the evil side. I'll be watching from heaven as the real Obama's soul is released and in it's place Satan resides. If that seems fanatical, whatever. I guess only the future can tell who is correct.

my blue heaven, this may be the best thread i've ever seen. i decided to do some research on the subject, and learned that if you spell it barrack obama, it anagrams to "a karma bra cob", "baa cobra mark" (this sheds much light on unfogged), and "aroma back bar" (a devilish odor indeed).

since this evidence was ambiguous, i examined anagrams for "carpathian" (see Left Behind 3:23) - "a china trap" (liev shriber, or maybe yao ming), "pirahna cat" (surely satan's pet), and "a ranch pita" (i'd eat one).

since the signs are mixed (i left my magic 8 ball in my other prophet robes, damnit), i'm going to err on the side of safety and just assume obama is satan. also, i'm going to take some deep breaths and tell myself that democracy can't possibly be as terrifying as it seems when i consider that the lithium crowd is probably more likely to vote than the sanity crowd.

Is "Jake" only the second contender who claims to have "done their homework" but didn't know when the State of Israel was founded?

Holy heavens I thought this thread died a long time ago. Until someone can come up with some bona fide PROOF that Obama is not in fact the anti-christ (such as photographic evidence that he does not have a "666" tatoo ANYWHERE on his body), I think that given what we now know the safest course of action is just to assume that he is the anti-christ, and act accordingly. First and foremost this means large campaign contributions to the DNC, to help ensure his victory and thereby speed the second coming of our Lord.

I hereby volunteer, selflessly, to examine him for said tattoo. I'm doing it for America.

the safest course of action is just to assume that he is the anti-christ, and act accordingly.

I'm sure a number of the contributors to this thread would line up to give him the necessary fatal head wound.

No way Obama is the antichrist. Everyone knows that is John Edwards. Obama will just be his assistant.

Thats exactly what i think. he definetely can be the antichrist. he is a nobody, who is suddenly one of the most popular people in the world. i think its a possibility. we should watch who we elect in'08

My pastor, who is very skilled in prophecy, has been told by God to watch for signs that John McCain is the AntiChrist. He and I and all our church now believe that it will soon be revealed that McCain was killed while in captivity in Vietnam, and what we have seen ever since is his Satanically reanimated corpse. McCain's frequent trips back to Vietnam since the war ended there offer further proof, as the enchantments that bind him must be periodically renewed with evil magic.

That is why he abandoned his Godly first wife and is now married to a harlot. It is also why George W. Bush worked so hard to defeat him and his evil powers in 2000, but McCain, fully inhabited by Satan, has not given up, and still threatens all that is holy. Beware!

Dear me I hope that last comment was serious, because it's a lot more funny that way. As satire, it fails.

Although: John McCain as the antichrist? I could probably be persuaded.

Also Apo, your Hamburglar link is no good.

Hey Brock, do you like anagrams?

Also, "hamburglar link" is a rather strained and unimaginative euphemism, not to mention that questioning the worthiness of apo's thieving beef sausage in a public forum is impolite.

i thank barack hussein obama is the anti-christ it talks about in the bible how the 666 means the number of his name well 6 x 3 = 18 well count the letters in his name

CS, now, there you go. You have a far more compelling case than Barak Obama.

I mean, look at McCains face. He has this tetanoid, maniacal grin, as if he is part skeleton, part undead.

Cant trust a face like that, can you.

Also, look at his name: John Sidney McCain!

"Sidney" and "McCain" both have six letters! And "McCain" means he is of the lineage of Cain, the first murderer, accursed by God. And the Book of Revelation is the Revelation to John! The Signs couldn't be any clearer.

I tried the numbers for McCain, John Sidney McCain is 16 letters (4 x 4). He's actually John Sidney McCain III. 19 letters, a prime.

I think that's suspicious.

ok ok ok. I admit the whole 1948/century/israel thing was a mishap (look up for a huge entry titled (ITS LONG BUT IT MIGHT BE WORTH LIVING) But all the people saying "you know he's the guy, so let's take the safest course of action", just know that if it is all true, there's not much we can do about it. I'd say the safest way to go about it is to stop speculating people, because if you're on here, you obviously believe in it, right? so you probably believe in living a great life and what not. so since it's going to happen, i'd say live your life. if you do it well, you'll be wisped away to heaven in the rapture. TADA! (critisize and speculate that as much as you want. i'll be here in a couple of days to see what people say. make it harsh)

Jake, "the second contender to claim to have done his homework"

oh yeah. and that link is useless. it's not me. thank God that's not me.

Everyone keeps forgetting about the gay thing - which I think gives Mr. McManlyPants a better chance of being the Anti-Christ that Barack Obama. (Frankly I'd be happy to take a look for that tattoo too!)

I just read this entire thread from start to finish in one sitting, and I think I have gone mad. It is not everywhere in the world where insane, fanatical, rational, and comical people can all come together safely (though the safety of the readers is questionable, and the safety of the world seems to be a lost cause)

I do not claim to know whether Barack Obama is the Anti-Christ, but the thought did cross my mind and a google search brought me here. Little did I know that hours of entertainment were in store.

I agree with everything FOZZYBEAR says in 6. I can only hang my head low and cry: waka, waka, waka.

Bit late to the thread, are we 'Smasher?

On preview, I see that some other commenters beat me to it.

I believe it's spelled "wokka-wokka". Armshatterer is trying to downplay the Ku Klux Klan associations of Fozzy Bear.

Happy New Year! I have taken some time away from the blog this holidays. So forgive my belated replies...

However wrote the racist comments dated "Posted by: at December 18, 2006 06:44 PM", should be ashamed!! Your closed-minded outlook is exactly why we need a Doomsday/Revelation/Battle between "Good and Evil" scenario.

Jesus preached tolerance of ALL people. How can you use a racist slur AND Jesus in the same blog.

PS Are you friends with Michael Richards??

we should not tolerate each other, we should love one another. The bible also says judge ye yet you have been judged yourself.

I found obama odd after hearing about him. Immediately after hearing more on the news about him I had this strong odd feeling that this man was the Anit-Christ. I find it very odd that you all had the same feeling. However the more I read tonight about the Anti-Christ the more im starting to think its more likely he is just another senator I dont trust. The Anti-Christ is most likely supposed to be a european ruler and most likely jewish. Obama is half white half African American and was born in this country. His father was from kenya and mother from Kansas. Who knows for sure, he can very likely turn out to be the Anti-Christ. God will reveal this to his followers when the time is right. Have faith in Jesus Christ, he is the key to salvation. In this time we live it is obvious that the end is near. The rapture is coming....

That's:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

(Matthew 7:1-2.)

The Anti-Christ is most likely supposed to be a european ruler and most likely jewish.

I think we've now gathered examples of Islamophobia, Negrophobia, Europhobia and anti-Semitism in a single, handy referential thread. Excellent.

C'mon, somebody start hating on Buddhists.

I met the Buddha on the road once, and I killed him. Does that count?

I think you may only have killed a Buddha. It's not really hate until you've killed multiple Buddhas, and consumed their Buddha-nature by eating their flesh.

Okay.

Done.

To the artivle:
I was thinking about politics just after I read Left Behind so I sort of put together that whole thing. I hope he is and isnt. Is becuase, well that would mean we are about to meet out Daddy. Isnt though because I havent completed what He put me here for. I feel a calling to help them.

To those not voting for him:
Why not? It is set in stone that no one can change what is in that book but God, and since no one will recognize him we should live our lives out as if we would die at age 120.

To those who will be suprised:
Everyone will, "Theif in the night"

To those saying we are insane:
You are proving our point. He will be a great deceiver and gather armies eaisly, like he is.

To those saying he is a tool of Satin:
I dont think we as Humans can clasify with our eyes who is and isnt for Satin. We just arent made to do that.

To those wanting more support:
My local radio host was talking about how the Hawaii pics were probably planned. And since lust appeal isnt used by God, who is he really for.

To those mad at me for writing this:
I am too, I am shooting bline in the dark with little renforcement.

It's probably been pointed out before, but "Tools of Satin" would be an awesome name for a lounge act. I hope to go on proving Jackson's point.

A few more things I forgot.
1> Do you not think that Satin knows whats coming to him? Do you not think that people in this chat room possibly could be influenced by The Evil One this very second? I know that Satin is one smart cookie, well as smart as you can be thinking you can kill God, but dont you think he would try to post stuff on websites to track us away?
2> We look like fools in God's eyes. We are God's children, and do children not try to act professional and go try to make amazing wonders of the World? Thats what we look like to God when we try to figure this stuff out. So why dont we stop? I will be happy when he comes, I will be sad when he comes, but why not just wait?
Finally some humor (sort of)
3> This is like predicting our death, isnt that soo creapy that we soo eaisly jump to conclusions on who will kill us all, when we dont even know if he will, yet we dont make that jump when thinking about our death. I just thought that was funny.

I dont think we as Humans can clasify with our eyes who is and isnt for Satin

Sure we can: it's the people who are out cattin', speak Latin and that'n. (At least according to the prophecies of the Reverend Billy Strayhorn.)

Do you not think that Satin knows whats coming to him?

A bright future in luxury bedding?

Barack Obama is not the anti-christ. And when 2008 rolls around we better pray he gets elected into office but I don't think he'll run. For people who have qualms about his name it is spelled Barack O'bama, Barack is Celtic, his name is Irish. I don't understand why people can't wake up and see that the current addministration is what is leading us to world war III, "the war on terror" is a never ending battle and is completely ludacris and it's cost thousands of lives for no reason. If you say that the troops are in Iraq for our freedom against terrorist? thats the job for our intelligence agencies not our army. Its a shame that honest good hearted politicians like Obama get slammed and disrespected like this while we got a bunch of yahoos at the steering wheel.

I skipped through this thread and some of you people sound like those people that keep giving dates to when the end will come. And like them, in their case, ya'll are wrong about obama. Besides the Scriptures say that the antichrist will have a passion for men and not women!!!!!

The name Barak appears in the old testament book of Judges. Check it out, but somebody on this site said the name was Celt. Barak son of Abinoam
doesnt sound Celt to me. Aside from that he doesnt know hes the antichrist and it probably isnt his fault. Destiny is a tricky thing somebody has to play the bad guy. Ask Judas. Gods will be done. Either way Dont Tell mama Im for Obama.

I did a numerolgy reading on obabma its interesting has has two master numbers 11 and 22 it clearly deifines him as an inspired hopeful leader

Let us assume two scenarios:

Christianity is wrong... there is no antichrist and never will be. Problem solved and this discussion is null.

Christianity is correct... at some point there will be an antichrist.

Obviously THIS discussion takes the second scenario as given... since its a topic on the antichrist to begin with. So anyone making a fuss about the first scenario can shut up, and learn to debate.

Now then, if we are assuming the second case, that there will someday be an antichrist can we legitimately say that now would be a time something like this would happen. For there to be an antichrist there must be some other pre-requisites for the end times:

1) The Temple in Jerusalem
2) Conflict in the middle ease (check)
3) Means for the world to unite under one regime (communication, military might) (check)
4) Rampant anti-semetism (check)

Okay, so 3/4 four isn't too bad. Considering that it would take massive reform and about 2-4 years to rebuild the temple I would say that we are safe for now. Maybe not. But since massive legeslation and construction are at least POSSIBLE (I mean hell, look at Berlin in the 80's...) We then can consider current candidates for Anti-Christ. To be Anti-Christ one must meet the following criteria IN THE LEAST:

1) Charismatic to the extreme
2) Young enough to live to see the end times (likely minimum of 6-8 years... probably way longer)
3) Able to unify people from different sides of arguments.
4) Be a good liar.

Of course Barack meets the above 4 criteria, but most politicians would, so thats not saying much. Either way, the point is that its not outlandish to think that he could be the anti-christ. Notice how criteria not mentioned are: he being overtly evil, he knowing that he is the antichrist, he being, or not being a christian (which, btw, Obama claims he is).

So to those that poo-poo anyone who claims this, get a grip on your own inflated sense of intelligence or self importance. And to those that claim this, try and realize that every generation likes to think that it is the generation that will see the end, and every generation has claimed an anti-christ... so you also should reexamine your own inflated sense of self importance. Even the bible says that NO ONE BUT GOD, NOT EVEN JESUS can know the day and time when he shall return, that knowledge is for the Father alone... so anything else is just a guess.

Hussein Obama announces today he is going to have a study done to see if he should run. Well, if he reads this stuff and sees how the public feels he will go back to his home island state and retire on the beach.
If he runs he will look like the Anti-Christ and his running mate might be the "She" Devil herself.
I think this will be the best thing that could happen to the GOP at this time.
Bring them on!!

i am about to go to my SAT class in about 20 minutes. I am curious about the future. Like i have seen in this discussion two sides of the argument have been presented. You have the idea that Barack is qualified to be the antichrist but also that he is not. We will not know until a later date. I have never really understood the antichrist, and it is possible it comes in a way we least expect it. Life is short, live it to the fullest but be smart. Its a wiered time we live in. May God bless.
young Johnny knoxville (so materialistic)

Good luck on your SAT, Johnny!

Aw JM, you're so nice.

yeah. out of all the stupid things said on this thread, what jackson posted on january 11 is probably the best outlook on all this. just like he/she said, the only reasons i dont want him to be the antichrist is because a. we finally have a good leader in our country, and he ends up just being the son of satan and b. me being 14, i haven't exactly done my deeds for this world. but it would also be very good, cuz im sure that there isn't homework in heaven.

To Joshua:
I find it refreshing to see intelligence posted anywhere on the net and am pleased to see that you know some of the prerequisites for the end.Bully for you.

Joshua Jesus said to desern the times!!!
Every thing is falling into place for Jesus return!!!!

HOLY HELL !!

I had no idea there were this many people out there that thought this... I love it that I'm not alone here on this!!

Gotta LOVE technology people... type in obama and satan and get this.... what a dream

HERE's what I don't get:
why is he such a great candidate for president again?? did i and america miss something completely outSTANDING that this guy has done?? He won a senate seat by beating.... oh .... nobody?
first it was Blair Hull who was castrated following allegations of domestic abuse... then it was Jack Ryan who had to bail out due to too many skeletons in the closet (exes with stories of embarrassing sex allegations.... imagine the possibilities) ... and then the Republicans in a last ditch effort to win the seat throw in Keyes... are you kidding me?
(Token black guy vs. um.... Token half black guy)
KEYES WASN'T EVEN FROM ILLINOIS.... he's lucky to have gotten 20 percent (i believe his exact numbers were 27%... but who's counting when nobody really cares)

and NOW i'm seeing he's the "second most popular choice for president" in opinion polls everywhere... and by doing WHAT again exactly??!!

I ' M c o n F U S E D

this guy barely even says what he stands for... he dances around the issues (but does it confidently) and the media just goes CrAzEeE for him!! i came home from work the other day and E F'N Entertainment'"NEWS" was showing off pictures of him in a swimsuit talking about how "ripped" he was (and they weren't talking marijuana) with his superman biceps... it was one of the most ridiculous things i've ever seen.

Next Stop: Sunbathing in a Speed-o

It's like this guy is some half black Bill Clinton that the Democrats are already starting to bow at the alter of without even winning a real election... will this guy even be able to hold his own in a real debate with a real Republican... or REAL DEMOCRAT for that matter? It's like everything Obama stands for is what's popular with liberals today:
speak out against WalMart... check
make cute statements such as "paris hilton tax breask" ... check
tell those dumb voters it's all about the people (children if desperate)... check
promote bi-partisanship (and act serious)... check
think to self all along: "bi-partisan means conservatives, christians and republicans need to shut up"
. . . um .. . check??

my point is.... how did Time consider this guy one of america's most influential people? it seems to me the only people he's influenced is the media. who influences him? polling data?
did his pollsters decide he might have a chance in hell in 2008 (oops... did i say hell? oooohhhhhhh)) i just don't see how america can be so ga ga over this guy... he stands for nothing.

Jackson does mention some key elements...

1) The Temple in Jerusalem
2) Conflict in the middle ease (check)
3) Means for the world to unite under one regime (communication, military might) (check)
4) Rampant anti-semetism (check)

i don't think these have even come close to the terms as they have been referred to in propehcies. many feel the "one regime" will be during a period that would showcase that of the 8th pope in the cycle mixed with the united state's president at the time... in the cycle i mean as pope john paul being the 6th... Benedict the 7th (who is told of living out a short term as pope) and then the 8th with the aid of a superpower (most likely the u.s.) would aim for unity of the world (or New World Order if you will).

As for conflict in the middle east... yes... we have some turbulence there... but people... IF YOU THINK THIS IS AS BAD AS IT CAN POSSIBLY GET YOU ARE MORONS!! everybody is so quick to bash bush and blair and etc... nobody sees the potential in that region (good AND bad) that could and most likely would be the outcome based on our reaction to the current war there. we haven't even seen much from Iran yet.

All of this in turn would lead to rampant anti-semitism... to a whole new level

as for the #1 on that list... i don't even want to go there... i'm just going to keep on knocking on wood over here.

But Jackson, what i absolutely loved about your post was this:
(and no... i'm not picking on you at all)

1) Charismatic to the extreme
2) Young enough to live to see the end times (likely minimum of 6-8 years... probably way longer)
3) Able to unify people from different sides of arguments.
4) Be a good liar

1.. you are 100% right... it has been stated that he would be a man adored by millions worldwide and that his charm literally sucks people in.
2.. is there anybody else in the pinnacle of politics right now that is MORE inexperienced that Obama?
3.. what better unity for people of differences that a half black half white muslim named hawaiian born democrat who loves the chicago bears? (he ripped on the saints... he must be the devil... oh god... get my cross)
4.. and yes... who on earth lies better than a politician?
answer: an even better politician

I did notice others mentioned McCain... hmmmmm... never thought about that one... but now that you mention it.... . . . hmmmmmm
also liked what brit had to say with "OK, PEOPLE, LISTEN! The anti-christ DOES NOT become evil untill AFTER satan re-encarnates his body. That means that if Obama IS the anti-christ, he is just simply a man now, NOT evil"... that's a good outlook too... hell ... maybe apostopher is the devil... or i ... or you! whatever the case people... stop calling bush the devil (he's not that smart)

I'm going to have to keep my eyes on this page... i'm interested in the points you all are bringing here

amen brother skinny

You have to be a true moron or brainwashed by the media to vote Obama since he is PRO ILLEGAL ALIEN!! You have to hate America to vote for this boy!

Skinnydipinacid... my name is Joshua.

And you seemed to miss a key point in my post... I am not PROVING at all that Obama IS the antichrist. I am defending the position that he COULD be the antichrist. It is not that he meets those qualities MORE than anyone else, and therefor MUST BE the antichrist... only that he fills those qualities enough to see it as concievable... assuming the scenario that I put forward of course.

As for the "discern the times" comment... I don't remamber that quote by Jesus... but even assuming its true remember that the word "discern" means to use WISE judgement to come to a decision on an issue...

So use your brain and think about what history has to tell us about every generation and every other cry for Antichrist... be it Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, JFK, Bill Clinton... you get the idea.

Joshua... thats J O S H U A people. Not Jackson... who had some interesting points, but is not the same as Joshua. :)

whoa... where the hell did i get Jackson
. .. sorry bro

no .. i wasn't trying to say you were proving anything at all... in fact i think that's why i snagged your quotes... they were neutral if not skeptical.

i think the problem with our generation these days is that we're feeling that we live our lives on the tail end of a ticking time bomb... and you're right (um... joshua... sorry again about that) of every so often people making half-assed lame-brain comments about "so-and-so being the devil" and they usually end up in the form of a tyrant or u.s. president (i.e. today's george bush, saddamm hussein, etc...)

obviously i don't think either of those where...
. . . but you gotta admit a little bit:
this whole Obama craze the country is going through is likely not the workings of a hell on earth.. but all and all pretty f^#%ing weird.

sorry again JOSH... U ... A

I agree, if nothing else it is odd. His popularity and charisma are uncanny to say the least. I believe that he will be the next US president... regardless of whether or not he is the antichrist.

Joshua

regardless of whether or not he is the antichrist

Wait, but that's a potential violation of the Constitutional anti-christhood requirement for candidates.

type in obama and satan and get this.... what a dream

I love that there are yahoos out there just kind of idly typing "obama" and "satan" into their Google searches. (Of course, they're not mentioning the subsequent search terms, "hot pics." Which I think is very tactful.)

His popularity and charisma are uncanny to say the least.

Especially for a ni - ummm, African-American. (No, maybe you should call him "boy," I think those people like "boy.") How did he do it, I wonder?

Interestingly, I've had a roughly double the normal traffic to this site over the past two days, which is usually a sign that one of the big blogs has linked here. But checking the referral logs, no. It's almost entirely google referrals for some permutation of "Barack Obama antichrist".

No idea why the sudden surge; this thread has long been the top hit for the search.

No idea why the sudden surge

His 2008 presidential ambitions have been featured in the news recently, would be my guess.

Only potential antichrists lust after worldly power.

aww... what's the matter doc?
dildo batteries die this morning?!
... or did we oppress you in some way?

sure... instead of backing your opinions with a valid point, just play it off like WE are racists. It doesn't work and Duke University and i know damn well it doesn't work on me neither.

did you all see today how the newspapers are up and comparing him to Abraham Lincoln?!
next they'll be comparing him to christ himself
... he'll be the god for the godless

"tonight at 10... Obama walks on water"

next they'll be comparing him to christ himself

No, that's George W. Bush, toomanyhitsdude.

Ok, this man gives me the creeps!! From the very moment I saw him on the television I got this chill and he didn’t set right with me! I am very suspicious of this man, the few words I heard come out of his mouth were Godless, course and full of anti God.. Not that a lot of this generation doesn’t portray the same qualities but had an evil spirit about him. I wouldn’t doubt if he is the anti Christ, I hope not.

Both my boyfriend and I felt this same way on separate occasions. The man is off his rocker and scares me. (in a way that is lesser than the God who controls all things and has power over every evil force and will not prevail)

The man is off his rocker

Project much, apples?

the God who controls all things and has power over every evil force and will not prevail

How can you believe that God will not Prevail? Surely Satan has taken hold of you! I will Pray for your Soul, because I know that surely God will Prevail!

Don't think for one second that it was the republican's who claimed the religious right. It was the other way around, catholicism chose the GOP because of its stance on Christianity. If you are going to say anything I would say that the GOP belongs to God. Of course that goes without saying, because if we are assuming the presence of the Christian/Judeo/Islamic God everything would belong to him... even Satan.

AND, it was NOT the republicans that forced intellectual liberalism on the Dems... they chose that, and in so doing got all the athiests, agnostics, and other "non-traditional" peoples of faith that go along with it. In doing so they distanced THEMSELVES from the traditional religions. And yeah, Christianity is traditional here in america, its not a comment meant to offend its frigging history.

But I digress. Lets take a moment to get back on topic.

Remember people, that traditional Christianity (excluding gnosticism) assumes that Satan does what he does because he wants to win. And that Satan believes that he can win... or at least can win quite a bit before he goes down. Otherwise what would be the point? (yes, I know applying logic to this argument is somewhat non-sensical since God transcends logic by his very defenition... but cut me some slack and bear with me).

Considering that Satan is fallable, and wants to win it would make sense that he would try and try till he got it right. Maybe THAT is the reason that we have seen other "lesser" antichrists (Napoleon, Hitler, or "W" if you prefer)... and they all didn't work. Humanity handled them on their own, without the need for divine intervention. Maybe the "next" anti-christ that Satan puts forth will finally be the one that requires the return of the Christ to be put down... I don't know just a thought and me playing a little "Devil's Advocate". OH SNAP! PUN INTENDED!

Joshua

"catholicism chose the GOP because of its stance on Christianity. " I wrote this... and the word "Christianity" was supposed to be "Abortion"... sorry people.

Joshua

I can't believe the fucked up "anti-christ" statements on this board. Do you people have one ounce of intelligence or are you all cool-aide drinkers?

Hey "IknowitwhenIseeit"... did you even read my post? Either you haven't, or you are just a pseudo-intellectual asshole who is way to into himself and his alleged grasp of the universe.

If you assume that Christianity is correct, an assumption we make for the sake of this conversation then it is NOT IMPOSSIBLE that Obama is the Anti-christ. If you can PROVE otherwise then maybe your pathetic attempt at contribution is worth something...

If you failed to grasp the context of the conversation, bug off. If you do grasp the context of the conversation, but have chosen to disregard it or belittle it because you feel that your SUPREME INTELLECTUAL MIGHT is SURELY the only possible universal truth... again bug off.

If you were merely commenting that SOME of the comments here on the board, and not ALL of them... well I guess I can't fault you there.

Joshua

I told my wife, a christian conservative, like me, that I thought that obama could be the coming of doom. His eyes tell us that, look into his eyes. What do YOU see. post a comment about this. I think it's revealing.....

OK so just HOW MANY LANGUAGES DOES THIS GUY SPEAK? So far I can't find the info on the web. I will continue my search and get back to you later. If he knows 7 LANGUAGES AND pokes his nose into the United Nations then Im going to do a whole lot of praying!!

Im back,
Hey apostropher, I actualy misspelled Obama when I was searching for it (lol.) But tonight I am going to do some research from the Bible and see what I come up with. And Joshua, sorry about stealing your thunder a few pages up. What I find interesting is how people are saying that we are like the people who are predicting a date. Last time I checked out calender said that we have 365 days a year. That means, wait, we are way to broad to be saying a single date. Its like saying the Atomic bomb was made in the 1900's. It just doesnt cover a select answer. Also I heard somewhere that about 20% of Humans think the rapture will happen, and I think 2/3 Evangelical think it will happen this year. Again, I think this year or the next, but hope not.

And if yall have any problems with what or if you like what I am posting. Email me:
Jmoney@bellsouth.net
I will be happy to respond as long as you put: Antichrist as the subject. Otherwise I will delete it.
-Jackson

i still can't believe some jackass called me a racist AND a liberal... . quite frankly i don't know which was worse

I dont know if any or how many of you pay attention to the predictions of Nostradamus.. but he predicted the name of the anti-christ as being "Barak" .. pretty close I'd say

I just found this post (oddly enough, I was having a conversation about this with my boss today). All I can say is, find me a politician who isn't aligned with the devil, and I'll show you one that won't get re-elected.

Just found this Blog. Obama the Anti-Christ??? Just because his popularity is rising fast??? (most of the other reasons I've had time to read are so off base that it's a waste of time acknowledging them) So let's see......if Jesus (if you believe in him) were to return to Earth and be instantly accepted by millions.......that would make HIM the Anti-Christ.......

Correction this 'Post' not blog

Global Warming MUST be real......the Sun's rays are obviously baking a few brains!!!

I don't think most of the posters here are crazy, just sadly misguided, with biblical interpretations clouded by distorted ideology and personal prejudices. People here have usurped the true mission and persona of Christ. They are trying to make him into their image instead of the reverse. Biblically, Christ is not American, capitalistic, Anglo, conservative it's completely and totally inaccurate.
I personally think an anti-Christ figure is much more likely to emerge out of the George W Bush political mold than the Barack Obama mode, not saying that W is the anti Christ. Just for the sake of argument if the antichrist IS an American president or leader, he has no need for the pope, the UN or anyone else for that matter, he has the capability of pursuing domination simply through the might of the American Military. A one world government doesn't have to be representative of the world, it could more easily be the result of a single imperial power, with cultural, political and military domination. A one world religion doesn't have to be a cobbling together and unification of all the world’s religions, it would more easily be accomplished by the domination and spread of a distorted version of a major religion, more specifically a distorted and false Christianity. Something called "Christian" that looks like its "Christian" is infinitely more likely to deceive the elect than some call to a unified religion. Having said that, those posters looking for Obama to be the anti Christ need to ensure that they aren't already following the ideology of antichrist themselves.

THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL SIGN A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL. THAT MEANS THAT HE AND HIS PEOPLE WILL BE AT WAR WITH ISRAEL. AMERICA IS NOT AT WAR WITH ISRAEL. THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL A PERSON WHO HATES TRUE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS.

Some of you people are thinking too much about Barack and him being the anti-christ. I think its scares some that there is a Afro American that really has a chance of winning the presidential race. You people keep finding attributes of Obama that link him to being the anti-christ, but ya'll leave out all of the factors that say he isn't. Every leader who has ever lived has had at least one attribute of the anti-christ, but that didn't make them the final anti-christ.

I believe Barak Hussein Obama is the anit-christ too! The way it came to my mind was beyond. The Book Of Revelations teaches about the anti-christ and that those who kmow the word of God are to keep their eyes and ears open. He will deceive many like the beginning of time when Eve was deceived in the garden. What goes around comes around. Unless you have some knowledge of Scripture, you will be lost. These are exciting times and Americans will be brought to their knees by their own enenmies for murdering babies thru aboritons. Just wait and see!

'cause the gas still gets through... It can get right on you!!...

Ba-da, da-da, Bamp, Bamp, Baaaaamp

Goin' somewhere; I don't know where, yet.

I thought that they were just to help rebuild the temple, not sign a peace treaty. I may be wrong. If i am worng, please get me some Scripture to prove me wrong.

I am mad at all of those people who accuse those who tink we are racist. I have friends of every ethnicity! If we became racist we would be betraying people we love and care for! Grr you make me MAD! I was thinking as WBush as the anti but Obama fits better! If someone comes along who fits even better, I would accuse him/her! Ok, glas I got that out. Its just I dont like being accused of false actions.

you tell him Jackson (or should i call you Joshua now?)
call US racists again doc... and we'll go gangsta

as for this:
THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL SIGN A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL. THAT MEANS THAT HE AND HIS PEOPLE WILL BE AT WAR WITH ISRAEL. AMERICA IS NOT AT WAR WITH ISRAEL. THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL A PERSON WHO HATES TRUE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS.

...is wrong... it is a rebuilt temple in isreal. i believe it's part of the seven signs of the apocolypse in the book of revelations. It's also been talked about for years how the vatican wanted isreal off of the temple mount. (even supposed letters between prime ministers and popes)
besides... and a peace treaty can come at anytime... a truce is signed at war.
either way the statement still sounds wrong due to the fact that the left wing / liberals / democrats sound like they're at war with Israel anyway. If they don't HATE christians and jews... they have a funny way of showing their love for them. most of the liberals i know think they're so right that everybody that disagrees with them, including god, is wrong (he could be the primary reason for global warming... yikes)

yes... the devil will hate christians and jews... but possibly be adored by them as well. he will still have the growing affection of millions due to his ability to persuade and manipulate (minds as well as media), so people will not be worshipping the devil... but the devil construed as something else.

PS

Dear McPurple head,

Obama is not Jesus Christ (and yes most people believe in that sort of thing) ... just felt the sudden need to clarify that for ya

love,

skinny

God says we are allowed to judge. A righteous judgment. If you kill a child thru abortion, that is murder. I can certainly speak up and out. If you stand by and watch and do nothing, you are useless.

Whatever evil a person does and we tell them they are doing evil that is a righteous judgment. Speak truth.

Example, alot of people think Angelina Jolie is a nice person. Nice people don't sleep with other people's husbands and get pregnan tand flaunt it. Anyone with alot of money can afford to give some away. Mother Theresa, now there was a nice woman I'd say. She had nothing, took nothing, but gave everything.

Clinton Brown,

The same thing happened to me thinking about Barack Hussein Obama. The hair stood up on my arms and I got as cold as could be. It just came out of no where. I thought about how the anti-christ is to come as a roaring lion and lions are from Africa. Obama is from Africa....Kenya. Also, some guy on the radio happened to be saying at the same time, is this Obama the devil like the new Massachusetts governor? All of a sudden, it clicked! I can tell you this, Barack Hussein Obama is no damn good, no matter what. I hope the end is near. Americans need to be brought to their knees by their enemies. It's the only way a few will wake up.

Americans need to be brought to their knees by their enemies.

Thats the most unAmerican thing Ive ever seen written in public, and thats saying alot!

This is all TROOLIE amazing!!! Wow! I've forgotten how many interesting people are out there in our country! Especially my fellow Bible readers (or shall we say "Bible editors?)!

Just for the record:
1) Mr. Obama's dad was raised as a cultural Muslim, but chose to be an atheist. Most of ya'll anti-anti-Christ prophets would never accuse an atheist raised in a Baptist-attending family of being a Christian, would you?

2) If you know anything at all about Islam, you'd know that the purported anti-Christ would most assuredly *not* be Muslim. Islam is a tad bit more inclusive than even Christianity, no? If anything, I could see the "anti-Christ" claiming to be under some Christian label, can't you? Consider the 3-Self Patriotic Church in China...a government funded organization that goes under the Christian label but doesn't recognize any of China's millions of underground churches. Don't worry, all you in the 3-Self Church! I'm not saying the anti-Christ will be spawned from your church! Fear not! Lambaste me not!

Just saying...actually, why am I saying anything? This is just too amazing of a blog to consider myself worthy of posting on!

Peace out, yo.

Two and a half years, and this crazy thread is still going strong... AND I'M STILL COMMENTING ON IT! It was a joke, folks! Carried over from the Freddie Mercury thread! And Queen was an in-joke, too! PLEASE get over it and let this be the last post! (unless Apostropher wants to be the one to shut the door)

Dear Skinnydipinacid,
Please reread my post and you will find that in no way did I say Obama is Jesus Christ. It was a comparison to say that you can't label someone the "Anti-Christ" just because of popularity or else when Jesus returns you would have to label him the "Anti-Christ" as well.....just because he's popular. For the record, I believe in Jesus Christ and if you are able to take what I said in context you should clearly see that the comment about "if" you believe in Jesus was directed towards the posters who are saying Obama is the Anti-Christ.

Next time be clear yourself before clarifying.....(just felt the sudden need to clarify that for ya!!!)

Jackson,
I agree, this is not an issue about racism, misguidance,..."yes" racism,..."No."

More Numbers fun!!!!
Multiply 6X5= 30
Ditto 6X6= 36
Ditto 6X7= 42
Total 108

Significance: 108th E. Longitude runs through center of Jakarta; Elected to U.S. Senate during 108th Congress of U.S.

Hey Obsessed, Barack Hussein Obama claims to be a christian! There you go fella. Remember people.... when someone comes to deceive, he deceives... even the most elect.

The book of Revelation gives many revelation(s), get over trying to be so correct. Waste your time on telling someone that by voting pro-choice, they are guilty of the blood of that child.

People have been identifying individuals with the anti-Christ ever since Revelation was writtin (i.e., ever since the original author identified the Emperor Nero as the anti-Christ - do a little research you wonderfully inept imbeciles).

So, for 2000 years people have been absolutely certain that one person or the other is the anti-Christ who will inaugurate the end times, and for 2000 years people have been wrong. Learn from history you mindless nimrods, and try a little intellectual or spiritual humility for a change.

The anti-Christ....you people are unbelievable. Grow up. The fact that some of you vote frightens me (and, now that I think about it, explains a lot about the mess the country is in now).

I was doing a google search, Barack Obama the antichrist, and I stumbled on to this site. YES, he is the antichrist, and I have known it since the last Presidential election when he gave his speech. I am not a young person who follows all of the strange ideas being thrown out there these days. I am simply a 56 year old grandmother and a Christian, who God revealed to me just who Barack Obama is. I post on a Christian site, and I was posting about him with a fervor to get this information out 2 years ago. I have recently been doing the same thing to refresh my fellow Christians memories of my past posts regarding this beast. BEWARE people. The king of hell is going to get elected in 2008!!!

Karla, I feel so sorry for you that you have been Deceived by Satan into thinking that you Know things which God does not allow us Sinful Mortals to Know. But don't worry, I will Pray for you, and I will ask the members of my Congregation to Pray for you too, and you will be able to shake off Satan's Lies! It has worked before for many Lost Souls, and I am confident that with God's Grace it will work for you too! Do not be Afraid!

TO YA'LL THAT ARE SAYING THAT THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT WHEN THE SCRIBES BACK THEN SPOKE OF THE WORLD THEY MEANT THE KNOWN REGION AT THAT TIME...REMEMBER WHEN ALEXANDER "CONQUERED THE WORLD." HE DIND'T HE CONQUERED the known region of that time. READ THE ORIGINAL BIBLE TEXT'S IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

I think it's all wishfull thinking on your parts. and yes there will be a treaty with israel that will be broken AFTER THREE YEARS. don't use the bible to support your ideas if you don't understand the context. Besides the bible says no one, but the Father will know when christ will return, WHICH HAPPENS SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE RISE OF THE ANTI-CHRIST, WHICH MEANS THAT WHEN THE ANTI CHRIST RISES, THEN I OR ANY OTHER PERSON WHO UNDERSTAND PROPHECY CAN COUNT DOWN TO CHRIST'S RETURN. THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S MORE TO THE STORY THAN ANY OF US KNOW. SO STOP TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT!!!!!! BECAUSE YA'LL CANT!!!!

GOTTABEKIDDING AND KARLA BOTH HAVE STRONG POINTS.

Karla,

Tbe Holy Spirit spoke the same message to me about this guy Obama. He is NO NO good. But Americans need to be brought to their knees by their enemies, then a few, may wake up. So be it.

PS I am 48 yrs old. BTW...look on Foxnews written by Jamie Colby. It's about children saving the children! God is using teenagers to get the message out that ADULTS are murdering children thru ABORTION! Go kids go!!

Tonggon,

Is this true..the holiest islamic land is on seven hills?? whoa if it is, brace yourself people we are in for some interesting times! Watch all the lukewarm christians vote for Obama! So be it!

Karla,

The Holy Spirit revealed the same thing to me about Obama being the anit-christ. I was sitting at my desk when all of a sudden all this info starting coming into my thoughts. I got as cold as could be and the hair stood up on my arms. Watch all the 'lukewarm' christians vote for him. They need a wake up call...so may it happen! Tonggon....is the holiest islamic land really on seven hills!!

PS I am a 48yr old women.

To those that feel sorry for me, thanks, but I don't need your pity :-) I have to say, no, it is I that feel sorry for those who are going to be decieved. Those that are Christians need to carefully read 2nd Thess 2:3. It implicitly states that "that day", the return of Christ will not happen until that man of sin be REVEALED. Now let me ask you who have any bible knowledge, just who is the man of sin going to be revealed to??? It isn't the Jews, as they have been blinded by God until this very day. It isn't the lost, as they wouldn't recognize the antichrist if he slapped them up the side of the head....that leaves only those that belong to the Lord, the Christians. I don't want to get into a heated debate on here, all I ask people to do is watch, and pray and ask God to save you first if you aren't already, and then ask for revelation into this man and who he really is. What God has done for others, he will do for you. Lastly regarding the 7 hills that was mentioned, count the bases on the Statue of Liberty and how many she is standing on. I count 7 with the thinner base that is attached to her feet. America is Modern Day Babylon in Rev 17 and 18.

Karla, As I was reading your posts, I got the chills. Indeed, the Holy Spirit has inspired this within you. I remember when imade similiar posts as MIss No-Name but nobody beleived me. Chint Ilms,, in particular, attacked me, in any way that she could. Stay strong, hun, and we'll make it. Beleieve me, it is gonna be hard. I know. But it is time to fly, you know??? I can't bear to live another day on this earth as it no longer appeals to me, but one day when the Lord remakes the heavan and earth, we will be able to live as the Lord intend for us to live-we are to live a life of simplicity doing the grandest thing ever-worshipping Him and walking in His Glorius Light.....

Stacey and KArla, you guys are speakign the truth. I can just feel the Holy Spirit fall on my flesh. Keeop doing what you are doing-we need to get the word out!!! whatever you do ,don't be detered by Christians who accusse you of being possessed or even lying. Theys imply are NOT aware of the Hoply Spirit. They are the one who are NOT firmly planted by GOd so they are decieved in themselves. We may not have come to full rigteousness but we have the spirit of discernment and we are told to ask God for such a spsirt so as to distinguish between good and evil. If we did not make some analysis of the situation then we would be accepting evil and good altogether. We need to bracket ourselves form sinful things so that we dont become entagled with these things. We are told in the Bible that bad company cprrupts good habits. So Ic dotn see how it is bad to make a judgement rather than give judgement about a sitiuation. When we judge a situation we examine it, when we render a judgement on a a ssituation we cast jusgement. TWO diffeant things. All we wanna do is get away from sin and condemn it....

Dont listen to chint ilms she is pretty histrionic.....

Whoever you are who wrote to Karla and I(Stacey) with words of encouragement, thanks! When someone starts to attack my ideas or someone who has the same knowledge as I, I don't even bother to read further of what they've to say. I find most so-called christians are too wrapped up in a few scriptures rather than the point God is trying to make. Somewhere in John, God said we can judge and it's a righteous judgment. God also said if someone asks for forgiveness to forgive. Not many people ask for forgiveness, instead they keep on in the sin. When we go to God we ask Him for forgiveness, then He forgives. Tah dah!

Sorry I enat not codemn rather than codemn; we can judge for purposes of discernment but we can not condmn a person...

Sorry

Bye

Stacey, and who ever else posted, God bless you both, and remain strong in HIM. Actually, I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit while reading both your posts, and I still do. God will connect you with those in the body of Christ with the same Spirit. Actually,I gave up listening to the world a long time ago, and their ideas regarding "Spiritual" things. I listen to the ONE who has all of the answers. Our Spirits bare witness with His that these are the last days. The evil one is here. Jesus Spirit didn't indwell the believer so He could take a nap. He is our teacher, revealer, and the best friend that we could ever have. He said that He will never leave us or forsake us, and He is letting those opened up to His Spirit to know the truth of Barack Hussien Obama and the times that we are in. A lot of the so called Christian world act like they believe that this world is going to continue forever, and IF the antichrist does appear, it will be sometime after they are dead...or they will escape his appearing. Wrongo, your worst nightmare is going to start campaigning shortly. Maybe he will come to a city and town near you, and you can be "mesmermized" by the best orator that I ever heard in my life. You might even want to touch the man, like some have, or be drawn to him like a magnet like some did during his campaign for Senator. Folks, we aren't like Chicken Little yelling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling for no reason. You still have a chance to repent, be saved, and escape this mans captivity when he gets down to the nitty gritty. It is God's will that no one perish without accepting His Son. I am all over sites on the internet, and there are people saying the same thing about Obama...he is just not the normal man. Not all of these people are Christian either, and my prayer is that they seek God immediately!!! God Bess.

Tonggon,

How on earth can you say a man who is pro-choice as Obama is, has integrity and character? Pro-choice is the murder of the MOST vulnerable of humans I heard that if the abortion is botched, Obama says, mo medical assistance to the kid. If you really believe what you said, you are a fool. The two can't go together.

Karla,

Kudos to you my sister! Be blessed.

First of all let's get one thing straight: I AM THE FUCKING ANTI-CHRIST!

What the hell is all this nonsense?? I have spent 2000 years of my fucking life trying to make a name for myself and now i log on the internet and have to read about a bunch of morons pinning MY name onto the first guy on the street??? This is FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS!

That's it! I am gonna run for president!!

Saddam!! Put your damn clothes back on! We got a race to win!

LOL anti-christ! I needed a freakin laugh. ha ha

To the "The Antichrist". Well I can see that you will fit right in with BO..probably one in his regime that will try to put the mark on people. Get saved fella. That's the only true cure for mental illness :-)

Sam Brownback for prez!

I can just feel the Holy Spirit fall on my flesh.

What filthy, filthy talk! It's plain to everyone reading the hold that Satan has on you. I am praying for you.

"What filthy, filthy talk! It's plain to everyone reading the hold that Satan has on you. I am praying for you."

You better pray for yourself dearie, that you may experiance the presence of the Holy Spirit. The world is so full of "Spirtually dead folk"!!!

Theys imply are NOT aware of the Hoply Spirit.

I make people aware of the Hoply Spirit by playing righteous fat beatz for all the peoples on the dance floor. Once the Hoply Spirit gets hold of the masses they can't help but move their asses.

Too the ladies who scream about the scripture and the holy spirit... wow. You know we were told by the prophets (I use that term broadly on purpose...) to go forth and to be the salt of the earth. You certainly took that to heart, but what happens when you add too much salt to a meal? Oh yeah, you ruin it.

Perhaps some tact would be in order ladies? You know, tact, like what Jesus had. Subtlety, kindness, patience, gentleness of tongue. This isn't the temple, people aren't selling their wares... Its the friggin IntArW33B. This is a place where all intellectual ideas are held equal. Perhaps you forget that there is no UNIVERSAL proven truth. Perhaps you forget that there are places where it is not appropriate to present your faith as anything more than what it is... faith.

Take your shouts of Truth, and the Holy Spirit descending on you and stifle them or take them elsewhere. I am a Christian, but I have enough sense to understand that God gave us NO PROOF... because there is a point to FAITH. FAITH is required of us. Look that up in the New Testament. FAITH, as in belief, conviction without PROOF. You have no PROOF, you have no LOGIC, you have ONLY your faith. As such, to belittle those in a realm of intellectual, philosophical, and metaphorical ponderings as somehow ignorant, or savage, or wrong simply because they do not share your faith... why its simply not very Christ like, and also very rude.

That is a HUGE problem with Christians these days, they don't have any tact. Wasn't it Ghandi who said "I love your Christ but hate your Christians"?. Thats right, Ghandi. Talk about credintials. Regardless, when you shout and rant like that, about the holy spirit coming down upon you, and how so many people here need your prayers all you do is drive the wedge further in, widening the chasm between believers and non-believers. You certainly aren't converting anyone, you only look like an idiot all the while making Christ look worse in the process.

Don't get me wrong, your faith is admirable. I believe that Faith is a miraculous thing, and in FAITH can be found the truths of this universe. I would never hope that you would lose faith, or that your faith would diminish, but for the love of OUR Christ, thats right no one owns him, for the love of OUR Christ show some tact, like I had been trying to do up until this point.

*stands down off soapbox*

Joshua

... NOT jackson, but J O S H U A.

Can we call this a Legendary Thread now?

Interesting blog. I too have wondered on this. The website ebacprophecy.com lists him 3rd on the antichrist list. He certainly is one to watch.
By the way, Israel became a nation in 1948, but became the complete nation of the old Israel in 1967 when they captured Jerusalem. 40 years ago this year...there's that GENERATION thing.

Ed

Lets all hail Barak Osama, woops i mean Obama :D

He may or may not be the antichrist, But from knowledge gained, the antichrist was ment to rise from the middle east, not the west. :P

Get saved fella. That's the only true cure for mental illness

It doesn't seem to be working for you. Maybe you're doing it wrong?

"You better pray for yourself dearie, that you may experiance the presence of the Holy Spirit. "

I will be praying that the Almighty LORD lets the scales fall from your eyes, that you may see the sin and pridefulness of your speech.

Karla and Stacey, STAY STRONG. Remember, these people can/t talk aboutt hings that they don't know. Are they talking out of their asses? Quite probably ; ) But stay strong and KNOW that you are right. I was locked in a similiar postion when I made a post concerning Obama a couple of months ago. I was attacked ruthlessly particularly by Chint Ilms who goes under multiple pseudonames like Slim Chint or something. Anyway...all you gotta do is beleive. Beleive me. What helps in cememnting your faith is to read some of Scott Peck's books particularly the one on People of the Lie. Anyway, I first realize what this OBama guy was all about when i first HEARD him speak on Oprah. I never even saw his damn face-I was sitting behind my desk doing homework. SO race CUD have NEVER been an issue. The very first things which I heard come from him were something about a world order where politics and spirituallity wud be integraated-a more holistic universe. Now, this sounds like a great idea, but from what I know, a more unifies world will be like the times of Babaylon when peopel were so interconnected and at one with each other that became easily infected by ideas. In other words, a new world order will pervert people even more because there is so much more understanding and contact with one another. I mean we DO live in the onformation age, don't we. Sepaartion was integral to human success; that explains why God scattered people and made them with differant languages. They served as great barriers against perverse cultures who cud have potentially infected others. This IS all changing. If I were you guys, I'd start worrying. All this peace and unity under differant beleif systems is strange; if we are one peopel then we shud have one like mind. There is NO such thing as the multiplicity of truths, ok??? Many philsophers will tell you that there is ONE truth and it is NOT divisible. Well, anyway, I feel like an alien in this world. I can't seem to relate to the world in the same way I used to-there si nothing left here for us believers. We can only pray and wait unti lthe coming of the mesiah-our Christ, our love, our object of adoration. Weird enough, I am kinda having a asmall party in my head about the destruction the world. I mean I am not glad to see the world go as a part of me lived in it, but I am so happy to know that this going to be the beginning of a New Life and a New Earth. I feel like Kermit the Frog when he sang about not wanting to live on the moon...These are the times of separations and we all have to spend sometime with Christ to get it right with him, you know??? We need to be alone with Him and get his guidance. I will posting my email shortly so that Miss no-Namer-me gets a chance to receive personal emails, etc. . . .etc..Chint Ilms, this is your time to shine ; )) ) ) ) I am sorry I can't help but rip on her she is sooooooooooo damn fake!!!!

"That's the only true cure for mental illness"

Karla, please read Matthew 7:3-5.

Weird enough, I am kinda having a asmall party in my head about the destruction the world.

I'm sure there's plenty of room. Why not make it a big party?

Have you people talking about who is the Antichrist actually read the Bible? I challenge any of you to find any typos or misspellings there. God doesn't make mistakes, and His Word is Sacred!

So when you're trying to spread the Word of God, show the proper respect and make sure your own spelling is correct! Stop making God look illiterate!

In other words, a new world order will pervert people even more because there is so much more understanding and contact with one another.

Sounds absolutely terrible. Understanding and contact? That's only for God!

Read what happened when people got together to build a tower called babel. Read ur Bible!!! Unity =Destruction=False Unity= Destruction rather than peace. . . .What kind of coherent civilization tries to make a tower to become as mighty or even mightier than God. A HIGHLY unified yet deluded one...Dont mistake unity and blind acceptance for togetherness

Read ur Bible!

Except the part where Jesus talks about love being chief among the virtues. Just ignore that part.

. . . . Read ur Bible!!! . . . .

Posted by: at January 22, 2007 11:54 AM

Proofread your writing!!!

To Joshua. Did Jesus mince words when He called the Pharisee's a brood of vipers? The bible states that Peter spoke with BOLDNESS. We Christians deal with the same type people in this day, as they did back, and I don't expect the Lord would mind us calling things what they are. Are you afraid to tell someone that they are going to hell if they do not repent and accept Christ? Not Me!!! I over salt where the salt is needed. I refuse to coddle the Devil as time is to short!! That doesn't mean that I don't love the lost, I do, but I am not going to love them into hell BY ACCEPTING THE ANTICHRIST. Thanks for your words.

ACCEPTING THE ANTICHRIST

That's a funny way to spell "voting for a black man."

For those keeping score at home, this is the 483rd comment on this thread.

I being a christian strongly doubt that Obama is the anti-christ, but I agree with Joshua that he could be. Only God knows who the anti-christ truly is. None of us can claim to be God in any way. Remember, The Father said our thoughts aren't His thoughts. There is a piece of the puzzle that God decided to with hold from humans, a peice that is not really all that important. What is important is that all people, including some "christians" give The Father a chance to help by accepting and following the teachings of the living Christ Jesus. I'm not bashing or condemning anyone, but I'am asking that ya'll give God a chance to succeed in bringing about change, by giving the Son a chance to guide their life.

Christ also taught us to hate this world and forsake-even to a point of forsaking family for Christ's sake. The more and more we socialize and interact with people who are OF the world, the more likely we are to become like them. I don't see why we should have a connection with people who breed mmmorality and then tells that there is something wrong with a 22 year olg girl who is a virgin, or that something is wrong with someone who has never partied or drank, etc...Society teaches us to follow its ways-the worldy ways. People are no longer human but of the world. How empty humans have you seen who defne themselves according to some external entity such a house, money, a career, or even parents? How many people have been tethered to some wordly object-both tangible (money, cars, etc...) and intangible (liveralist philosphies, careers that border on the meaningles, etc...)?
These people are no longer human-many of them have lost their humanity beyond a certain point. You tell me that you can go to heavan if YOU get fucked in the ass and/or you spread your legs while you drink every other night and pleasure and pamper yourself with saunas and incense? Do you call that a meaningful life? These people ARE becoming their world. They are lost. That explains why in Deuteronomy, He destroyed nearly everyone because these people were beyond salvation. The same ass pattern is happenning again-people are so bad, so far from their humanity that they have NO fat chance. And if they do, their chances are very very slim. This explains why we are beginning to see extreme religiosity among the young-God is trying to reach out to the younger ones because they are not as corrupt as the older ones. The Bible does prophecy that that the elder will serve the younger; so it is little surprises that we see an almost militant like attitude among Christian youth...You know what I wanna say??? I wanna say FucK Islam, Fuck Society, Fuck Culture..God is not culture -He is, instead, the Ultimate Being. Culture has its selfish ends-to promote the interests of the top elite as it always does. GOD is here to promote us-to give us a share of His Kingdom and the throne that comes with it. When will you peole start seeingt hrough the Bullshit we call society? When? Christ said love your neighbors, but yuo are not to intermingle with them. If tomorrow came and I had to lay my life down for a HOMOSEXUAL, I would. I truly care, but I dont wanna be in bad company. Do you understand, me??? We dont have to be BFF with people we cant stand. We can only love them and loving people does not necessarily meaning having social attachments. Do u get it??
Hope you do...

Did Jesus mince words when He called the Pharisee's a brood of vipers? The bible states that Peter spoke with BOLDNESS.

Karla, I don't think you're nearly as important as you seem to think you are.

Shut up Chint ILms...I dont like you.. you detesable person you...

I'm not surprised that you continue to dislike and detest those who Pray for you. The Anger that is in your Heart is so strong, and your Pride will not allow you to accept Love and Prayer when they are given freely to you by those who care about your Soul. But we will not give up on you, for Jesus taught us that Everyone can be Saved through Prayer and Love.

Back again. One poster mentioned that Barack Obama is more than just a man and said they even read that on secular posts. Barack Obama is simply put, an ambitious, gifted black man with a multicultural upbringing. His "unexplainable appeal" is easily explainable, a result of the complexities of our perceptions of race and our nation's racism. While millions of Blacks suffer oppression due to their complexion, a select few are at times elevated because of it. His since of balance and perspective are not "anti Christ warning signs” they are the result of being multicultural, being exposed to more than one perspective on life. His ability to bridge gaps can be seen in countless other individuals who have been BLESSED to see more than one of life's perspectives, minorities who live in rural regions, individuals raised agnostic or atheist but who personally come to the knowledge of Christ, women in male dominated professions, all groups of people capable of bringing fresh perspectives and insight. Truthfully multiculturalism is a necessary ingredient for sound biblical interpretation. The lord realized the benefit of perspective, allowing multiple individuals from multiple backgrounds to present his word to us. Without the ability to see the word from another perspective one has no way of gauging his own potential for interpretative error.
Unlike many of the left leaning posters, I believe strongly in spiritual warfare, I believe in consulting the lord concerning the direction of one’s path. I believe the lord ultimately works within his creation and directly intervenes in his creation. Having said that, Have any of those who fear that Obama is the antichrist/false profit considered the opposite alternative, the possibility that Obama's life path has been directed by the lord to be raised up at just such a time as this, a time when his people are polarized and intellectually inbred, a time when a since of perspective and balance is NEEDED? I would suspect that 99% of the opposition to Obama is grounded in a simple, ugly truth; racism is rampid in the Christian community. In the back of their minds, many cannot fathom the thought of a black leader of the free world; their own personal prejudices severely cloud biblical interpretation on this and any subject. Not only is interpretation clouded, but many consider THEIR OWN interpretation as the definitive one, as absolute truth, and have no other perspective with which they can compare and contrast. Truthfully God has told no one that Obama is the antichrist! Quite the opposite, those wording God's mouth with their own bigotry should repent.

Christ also taught us to hate this world and forsake (forsake what?)-even to a point of forsaking family for Christ's sake. The more and more we socialize and interact with people who are OF the world, the more likely we are to become like them. I don't see why we should have a connection with people who breed mmmorality and then tells that there is something wrong with a 22 year olg girl who is a virgin, or that something is wrong with someone who has never partied or drank, etc...Society teaches us to follow its ways-the worldy ways. People are no longer human but of the world. How empty humans have you seen who defne themselves according to some external entity such a house, money, a career, or even parents? How many people have been tethered to some wordly object-both tangible (money, cars, etc...) and intangible (liveralist philosphies, careers that border on the meaningles, etc...)?
These people are no longer human-many of them have lost their humanity beyond a certain point. You tell me that you can go to heavan if YOU get fucked in the ass and/or you spread your legs while you drink every other night and pleasure and pamper yourself with saunas and incense? Do you call that a meaningful life? These people ARE becoming their world. They are lost. That explains why in Deuteronomy, He destroyed nearly everyone because these people were beyond salvation. The same ass pattern is happenning again-people are so bad, so far from their humanity that they have NO fat chance. And if they do, their chances are very very slim. This explains why we are beginning to see extreme religiosity among the young-God is trying to reach out to the younger ones because they are not as corrupt as the older ones. The Bible does prophecy that that the elder will serve the younger; so it is little surprises that we see an almost militant like attitude among Christian youth...You know what I wanna say??? I wanna say FucK Islam, Fuck Society, Fuck Culture..God is not culture -He is, instead, the Ultimate Being. Culture has its selfish ends-to promote the interests of the top elite as it always does. GOD is here to promote us-to give us a share of His Kingdom and the throne that comes with it. When will you peole start seeingt hrough the Bullshit we call society? When? Christ said love your neighbors, but yuo are not to intermingle with them. If tomorrow came and I had to lay my life down for a HOMOSEXUAL, I would. I truly care, but I dont wanna be in bad company. Do you understand, me??? We dont have to be BFF with people we cant stand. We can only love them and loving people does not necessarily meaning having social attachments. Do u get it??
Hope you do...

You show such poor respect for God and His Word when you don't even try to write properly and spell correctly. You say you love God but actions speak louder than words! You should not put such trash before the eyes of God, for He will not find it pleasing! You should honor and respect God in all things!

God is a prescriptivist.

God is a prescriptivist.

"a" s/b "the", heathen.

God is The Prescriptivist.

Also, have you noticed that Prescriptivist spelled backwards is Tsivitpircserp? Makes you think.

Milt....get off the soap box. You're one of those annoying preachie preachers. Go do something useful, like tell the assholes in your church that abortion is murder of children and to stop voting pro-choice. I bet there is alot of screwing going on in your church too with the preacher and the women in the pews. It's so rampant. Go get the stench out of your own house before you pester us intelligent ones. Obams is an evil SOB. I hope he is taken down, way down.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A BABY KILLER LIKE THE REST OF YOU PRO-CHOICE, NO GOOD S.O.B.S

oh wow this is getting heated. stacey, We both agree that Obama is up to NO good, BUT I or you can't bring him down. We just can't. People who can't see him for what he is will do such like the Jewish people. We can only inform others and keep ourselves grafted to Christ so as not to be infected by Obama. I agree that this man is up to NO good, but I maintain peace and I maintain that God Himself should be in charge of his ultimate fate. I know it is ez to get emotional as I once was on this forum, BUT you have to stand back and create your own alter and space so that you are NOT infected, please. The more post here the angrier you will get-I feel you, I do, but I can see this is aggravating you, especially Chint Ilms...I know that Obama outrages you, but ultimately it will be your will against his deception. Just make sure u don't get deceived!!! I plan on going to a convent to live the "rest" of my days out as a hermit, away from people. I need that peace-that unity with God. God Bless.

"I plan on going to a convent to live the "rest" of my days out as a hermit, away from people."

Will you still have an internet connection?

Milt....get off the soap box. You're one of those annoying preachie preachers.

Stacy, the only thing I have contributed to this thread is to quote the sacred books of Mark and Luke in response to someone who posted this:

He is an antichrist and a NIGGER. I don't caree if he went to Jew-run Harvard. The day a NIGGER controls the white house is the day America falls to the antichrist. Praise Jesus.

If you think that quoting the Holy Bible is too "preachie", then I don't see how it is that you believe yourself to be a Christian.

Shut up Chint Ilms and God away

No-name, I think you'd better start using the more advanced "I am rubber, you are glue" technique. It gives extra maturity and gravitas -- there's no way "Chint Illms" will mess with you then!

For anyone else here who thinks Obama is the anti-christ and is outraged by everyone else's spritual insensitivity, GET OUT. Staying here will only cause more frusturation. People will mistake our passion for self-righteous fundamentalism!!!Their lack of discernment in suhc case will cause us GREAT harm-they will accuse us of things we'd never do. Yes, i hate Obama-that mofo- but NO neither you nor I can ever stage an uprising against him. That is what the Jewish people who don't quite understand...yet... will do. They will do to him what they did to the Christ, but they will fail and Obama will rise up again. It is ALL in Scripture. we just have to sit there and wait and when our turn comes to die, we die. LEAVE and bolt and close this thread. PLEASE!!! If God wants them to know the Truth about Obama, HE-God-will reveal it to them, ok???

People will mistake our passion for self-righteous fundamentalism!

Ahahahahahahahahaha...

they will accuse us of things we'd never do

You mean something like this?

Stacey: "I bet there is alot of screwing going on in your church too with the preacher and the women in the pews."

No-name: earlier in this thread you said, "Stacey and KArla, you guys are speakign the truth". Do you still believe that? I would be wary of the company you keep.

"Shut up Chint Ilms and God away"

Why do you want "God away"?

We should all strive to bring ourselves closer to God, and not try to put ourselves far away from Him.

It is worth watching how this develops. Obama seems to have come from nowhere to now being considered by many to be electable to the most powerful position in the world. Is he the Anti-Christ. I thought the Anti-Christ would be someone younger and more comparable to Jesus' age when he first began to preach. I believe I can accept a black as President if he is proven by experience. The Muslim background however makes it near impossible for me to accept this black man. I would like to see more on how the numbers 666 relate to Obama.

I'd just like to note the irony here of a bunch of people straight-facedly discussing a man's Anti-Christ-ness on the blog of an atheist, who was jokingly referencing an LJ entry which has long since died, which was itself merely a redirection to a Christian forum discussion, which also pales in comparison to this Legendary uber-Thread.

Also it's ironic that in all this talk no one has pointed out that Barak Obama is well-known by Washington insiders as someone who will burp without stifling in mixed company, who frequently leaves the toilet seat up, who lets his fingernails clippings fall into the surrounding carpet, and who has "hail Satan" tattooed prominently on his forehead. I suspect he probably is the anti-Christ.

Apo, does the 500th commenter get a prize?

I'd just like to note the irony here of a bunch of people straight-facedly discussing a man's Anti-Christ-ness on the blog of an atheist

Goddammit, their not noticing the irony was part of the fun. Now we'll never get this bitch to 1000 comments.

i wonder if god is reading this?

"I would suspect that 99% of the opposition to Obama is grounded in a simple, ugly truth; racism is rampid in the Christian community. In the back of their minds, many cannot fathom the thought of a black leader of the free world; their own personal prejudices severely cloud
biblical interpretation on this and any subject."

99% huh? so i'm like what?? the one guy who doesn't like him for being a liberal, overrated, inexperienced, poster boy for the new age democratic party... (oh... and maybe the antichrist) if anything you can call it reverse racism... the dems pushed him forward BECAUSE he was "black".
besides, there are black leaders in worlds much free-er (and no... i don't FUCKING CARE IF I SPELLED THAT RIGHT) ... i'll say again... FREE _ URRR than ours! if you think becoming the president with a free pass to the white house makes you a glorious leader... i think most of us have seen that isn't so. it takes more than politics and skin color to make a country follow you... that only gets you elected.
(that and a media that worships the ground you walk on... but i digress.)

i'm not masking "god's word with bigotry"...
i'm expressing my own opinions that i've gained with my own mind through my own eyes. the way the world has whipped this guy into a frenzy and called them their savior simply does not sit well in my stomach... in fact i think it gives me massive heartburn. you can blow it off by scoffing a couple select sentances out of my post and ignoring the whole mindset... but after you do that i can assure you that i'll notice and probably tell you to go fuck yourself.

i love how republicans are racist... yet democrats insisted on having boxes that indicate race on anything government aid related. i love it how i... a single dad with no money at 19... couldn't get WIC so i could feed an infant (because i was male and white) but thousands of minorities get it every hour...
a black man runs for republican and he's an uncle tom (through a white man's voice)...
a black man runs for democrat and he's hailed as a saint (through the unity of the people)

do i blame black people for this.... no
do i blame our government... our society... our intellect... our train of thought?
oh hell yes i do
it's found a shape and spreading itself and turning into this big black (no pun intended) cloud that is engulfing our sense of judgement these days. people are afraid to say anything they feel out of fear of being called a racist, a pervert, a fascist, whatever the case may be. it's like if you're not carlos mencia... you can't get away with it.
(and i love that fucking guy... so call me a racist one more fucking time you cocksuckers... do it... c'mon)

OBAMA DAMMMIT.... i gotta go to work ... but i assure you i'm going to finish what i started here.
i feel like i need to go say a hundred hail marys ... stock up for the next post
and for all you no named lame ass posting son of a bitches... stand up for what you have to say... don't hide in obscurity

- skinny

Wow, Skinny, don't forget the meds man. If you go back and read my post, I allude to the fact myself that Obama is being elevated because of his color, while many others are oppressed because of it. Having said that, I also alluded to the fact that the life experience gained because of his color has also caused him to develop some (relatively) unique and useful skills, skills that are often present in people with varying backgrounds. What surprised me on this post was the fact that so many have lived such polarized, one sided lives that what many minorities would consider basic life skills are considered to be super powers only attainable through affiliation with Satan! It's like when Clapton came to America, and jammed with some blues musicians. He went back to Britain and was declared God! He wasn't supernatural; he had just been playing with some black guys!
On a slightly different note: Nostradamus did not in any way connect a name similar to Osama or the name Hussein to the antichrist. Most believe that Nostradamus predicted the rise of three anti Christs. Most who believe this believe that the first two have already risen, Napoleon, and Hitler, with the third yet to be revealed. There is a name associated with the third, Mabus, which if looked at in a mirror spells Sudam, possibly this is where people got the idea that Obama's middle name, "Hussein" was associated with the anti Christ. Mabus is himself not the antichrist, according to Nostradamus buffs, actually the antichrist is unnamed and Mabus is some figure of historical significance that is killed by the third antichrist. Mabus' killing then sparks a 27 year war. This is interesting for a number of reasons. If one believes in Nostradamus (which I'm not sure I do) and believes the name Mabus was coded backward, than the most likely current individual to play the role of Mabus would be Saddam Hussein (again note: the name Saddam is coded, not the name Hussein which is Obama's middle name). If then Saddam is Mabus, then who killed Mabus, George W. Bush! and the killer of Mabus is what...the third and final antichrist! I for one don't believe Bush is the Anti Christ, or the false prophet to be more precise, but that is where the logic leads if one applys Nostradamus' predictions to current events.

~~~~~~To Joshua. Did Jesus mince words when He called the Pharisee's a brood of vipers? The bible states that Peter spoke with BOLDNESS. We Christians deal with the same type people in this day, as they did back, and I don't expect the Lord would mind us calling things what they are. Are you afraid to tell someone that they are going to hell if they do not repent and accept Christ? Not Me!!! I over salt where the salt is needed. I refuse to coddle the Devil as time is to short!! That doesn't mean that I don't love the lost, I do, but I am not going to love them into hell BY ACCEPTING THE ANTICHRIST. Thanks for your words. ~~~~~~

To everyone... YOU'RE NOT JESUS. YOU'RE NOT PETER. You don't have that kind of wisdom or power! How arrogant can you be to assume that YOU can discern what ONLY GOD CAN DECIDE! Who goes to heaven or who goes to hell goes there THROUGH JESUS, HE is the light and the way, NOT YOU.

Your words are empty and at best insulting. They drive people FURTHER from faith. Belief in hell or divine retribution should NOT be the reason they accept Christ in the first place. Christianity isn't about a hedged bet, its about acceptance of a superior and divine way of life. If you believe in Christ to save your sorry but from the fires of hell you're doing it for the WRONG REASONS. And regardless, you need to humble yourself as JESUS TAUGHT. You are NOT the Christ, and your words are NOT HIS. Do you claim to be? Because then it might be YOU who is the antichrist. Millions of people have died and turned from Christ because of foolish people like you who don't have the wisdom to know when or how to act. In your rants against non-believers and "The Devil" you do far more harm than good. Look at all the people you have called idiots on this forum, look at those you have associated yourself with... and ask who here have you influenced. Who here have you swayed or saved? NONE! Yet I challenge you (and back me up here people) that MY words are much more likely to bring someone else to consider the love and divinity of OUR Christ than your words..

Jesus said that he was the light and the way, and that only through him shall any see his father's kingdom. Well then I give it to Jesus. Its not for me to judge and to rant about who will burn and who will bask in God's presence, because it is not I at the gates. It is Christ, and for all I know he has his own set of criteria about who gets in and who doesn't. But because he IS THE LIVING GOD, immortal, omnipotent, omniscient, and all wise and good I have to assume that maybe, just maybe I as a mortal, weak, and fallen man have NO place to assume what he will or will not do.

Get over yourself. Amen.

Joshua

Vasuki, Basuki..or...BESUKI
is the hindu name for the King
of Dragons. Basuki lives ini
the mountain of Agung (Grand Mountain)
in the "mother temple" of Bali.
Garuda is his enemy.
Technology is his GATES.
[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour
the color purple is a book about
child rape I read while in highschool,
a mere child.

OH, BY THE WAY, THE PROBLEM IS NOT CHRISITIANITY, ISLAM JEWISH ETC...THE PROBLEM IS
RELIGION ITSELF.

ALL YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS JIHADISTS, CHRISTIANS, BHUDDIST MONKS AND..AND...WELL... YOU KNOW
WHAT I MEAN....

ALL YOU PEOPLE "WHO SPREAD THE GOOD WORD"
YOU, YOU CAN GO TO HELL.

KEEP IT TO YOURSELF AND LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

IF YOU WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING, FIND
THE SIMILAR STRING BETWEEN RELIGIONS, AND NOT
THE OTHER WAY AROUND

tHE SEVEN hILLS
are in San Francisco:

san francisco is the home of all nations and tongues, and also the bastion of
liberalism. it is the "GREATWHORE"
personified.
(and OPRAH is the one of the main figureheads,
can you believe the COlOR PURPLE is highschool
reading and its about..CHILD RAPE...SHIT MAN!!!!!)

if you want to see where it starts, look over there,
but if you want to see where it ENDS,
look home.

AMerica is the new ROme.

Mr Mr, Have you ever read the Color Purple? For one thing, it wasn't written by Oprah, she was only in the movie. For another, it isn't *about* child rape (this is something like saying "You can't read Of Mice and Men in highschool, it's about murdering retards!" or "You can't teach from this WW2 history book, it's about GENOCIDE"). The fact that it mentions a child who was raped doesn't mean that it is PRO-child rape or that schools shouldn't be allowed to teach it.

But I will admit that the 49ers are the Great Whore of the NFL, so maybe there is something to that.

Do you not think that Satin knows whats coming to him?

Oh, Satin, you've been a very bad fabric.

dont you think he would try to post stuff on websites to track us away?

I love the image of Satan just kind of frittering away his day on the internet. "Yeah, yeah, I'll get right to that Apocalypse thing as soon as I check to see if anyone new friended me on Myspace. What? It's recruitment." Then he grumbles and goes back to squinting at the monitor.

I love that name: "Robust McManlyPants". Thats genius.

Joshua

Stacey: "I bet there is alot of screwing going on in your church too with the preacher and the women in the pews."

Milt fella, lookie what you wrote up above, you're not practicing what you preach! I love it, hypocrite. I don't pretend to be a nerdy bible thumper. Oh and yeah, there is alot of screwing going on EVERYWHERE! If someone is upset with the Obama, it's with good cause. I agree with that person who doesn't want this black guy in. He's an evil prick. I'll switch to pro-choice if I can start with taking apart obama's parts so he can't screw every nite. Oh and for those who might say i'm a racist, (if a racist is saying it like it is about people and their ways then yes i am 100 percent racist and proud of it). I would vote for Condie Rice for prez. Last time I saw her pic she was black. Everyone in the world should be made to view a live abortion. If you are still for it, and God takes you to heaven, I'll pass and go to hell. I don't want to be near you evil rats.

skinny,

please not the hail marys! God i hate them.

They come from the catholic church. I loath the catholic church. they've never taught anyone about jesus christ and they hid his word from the parishoners so people would make the priests out to be god.

obama is the antichrist. everytime he comes up, everyone speaks of him like he is the next coming. so he is...of course his words arent going to sound all devil-y they aren't supposed to they are going to take hold of the people that they reach. after that its over

ATTENTION ALL CCs (Christian Crackpots):
I'm a Christian. Saved since I was seven. I go to church every Sunday. And I know the Bible fairly well. And I will tell you right now, OBAMA IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST! Revelations says that before the antichrist starts doing his thing, that the followers of Jesus will be raptured. That hasn't happened yet, so there's NO ANTICHRIST. You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. It's people like you who turn people off to get saved because you're constantly looking to condemn somebody else. And it's also pretty sad that a black guy can't have a legit chance of being President without a bunch of white people saying he's in league with Satan. Just take a little while to do some looking at YOURSELF. That's all I got to say.

i changed my mind... that prick asshole cop who gave me a speeding ticket this morning (2 BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE) while i was in a hurry for a meeting i was running late for...
. . . is the antichrist
i told him i'd pray for him...
... and that God wanted me to go fast
otherwise he wouldn't have made my right foot so damn heavy

I agree with not cuddling the devil, but it is important to know that the devil is not omnipotent, omnipresent, or omnicient. My point is that the devil isn't doing it all. Humans play an important part to. Remember Job, the devil caused bad things to happened, but his wife and friends told him to forsake God. Remember when the devil tempted Eve? He didn't make her eat of the tree, he only insisted that she should. She ate of the tree on her own free will. We should approach people in the way neccessary at the time. How far do you think you'll get by being aggressive all the time??
Christ did call it like it was, but did he do it all the time? NO! He was meek at times to. Remember when Peter backslid!?!?! How did Christ approach him? There is a time to be aggressive and a time to be meek. It's not difficult to know that we (christians) need to be meek when someone is dealing with something like depression, death of a family member, or other hardships.

To the person who wrote: The more and more we socialize and interact with people who are OF the world, the more likely we are to become like them.

I agree half with you. I believe that we should not hang around people who continually sin for the sake of sinning, or because that person is fun to be around. To completely avoid them is ungodly. We should talk with them and let them know what and why we believe and hang with them enough so that they could gain our trust and friendship, so when the time comes, and it will, the person is more likely to listen when you talk more in depth about The Father and Christ. Who needs medicine more, the sick or the well? Jesus went and picked out 12 sinners and made them chosen followers, and the Pharisee and Sadduccee (spelled wrong) asked why Christ was hanging around such sinners. Why didn't he choose other men who had proved themselves holy?

You do have zeal and I admire that, but what you say is only half right. I used to think like you, but one day my pastor told me not to be so heavenly minded that I'm no earthly good.

BEFORE I GOT ON TO CHECK THIS CHAIN I WAS SURE THAT SOMEONE WOULD SAY OBAMA MUST BE THE ANTI-CHRIST BECAUSE, THE TEAM FROM HIS STATE, THE CHICAGO BEARS ARE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL. LOL.

does that mean ...
. . . if the bears win . .. .
.. . .. we're witnessing the end of the world??

... or just hell freezing over?

Skinny,
I noticed you blamed the cop for your speeding. It is noted that at 7:33AM you were still writing on here. Maybe you should go on to work instead of reading this crap and putting your two cents in to the crap. Sorry about the ticket, the anit-christ is hell to work with.....

i thought my last post would truly be my last post but I was wrong-good byes don't end there. I could not accept the fact that only a handful )metaphorically speaking) of people would beleive that Obama is the anti-Christ. I was going through utter rage because people were oblivious to this prophetic enigma-I mean how could Obama such a nice and seemingly benign man ever do us more harm than that looney we call George Dubbya Bush? I could not understand why people could not see the big picture. And then I realized that peopel know only of what they have been taught-they think in a certain mindframe and are thus un-able to see the big picture. When John in Revelation "saw" the beast he actually saw it with his very own eyes. I saw the PICTURE. Sadly most people can't see-they think in words, so they they think LOGICALLY and rigidly. Everything thaat is suppossed to happen to them is sequential and based on prior experience. Now, seriouslyy, how could Obama-a mere man-be the anti-christ? How? There is somethign off about him, but YOu have to see it w/ your soul's eye-with your right brain. You can't spot it-you have been taught to "look" for certain things and examine and analyze. You can't see somethign you wanna you. You can only get flashes and glimpses of Truth when you are least looking. you have never been taught to open yourself up to expereince, so you are blind. After having realized this, I was in despair and denial, floating between both. i did not want to beleive that my own peoples-humans- were blind. I was so gosh darn hopeful in us-in the world. I thoughht that we were all-if not, at least most of us- were sensitive to things supposedly unseen. In stead of being enraged, i am starting to feel bad for the world. Iam starting to mourn them-they are lost. Christ did say to us that the end of the world will be like the time of Noah-people will be so warped up in their own thoughts and views and merry making and working that people will not realize WTF is really going on. I am broken and hurt. The world I have known since I was a little girl is being torn apart-people are going to die forever and ever in a state of perpetual death call Hell. I cried for everyone I knew, for the people I have never even met, for earth itself. What have we done to each other and earth? Now, I am going through the grieving process. I am slowly accepting the world's fate, but it hurts. I know I can't live in it anymore because i don't belong here-at least not on this planet earth. You know? I am remembering all the places I went to, all the people i met and subsequentally came to know, all those times here on earth. I feel like I am ready to say good bye. I don't belong here, but like Kermit the Frog who sings, " I wish I could live on the moon," while being torn about his past life on earth, I am a state of no-mans land-neither human enought to be like everyone else nor angelic enough to soar with eagles. I am going through the grieving process, of which mani Christ-like disciples will go through. I am devasted- I am soo hurt. God save us from our misery!!! I leave you guys with these thoguhts.

Garuda (the Bird God) vs Basuki (Snake King):

The time was in the beginning, when Siwa and Parwati had just created the world, and when the gods had fought with the giants for the control of the holy water of life, amerta. It was at this time that Garuda came into existence.

The gods and giant demons were discussing how to get the water of life when the god Wisnu spoke in these words: "Hey you, gods and giants, if want the water of life, try to churning the sea of milk, above the amerta. This, they decided to do.

First, they had the dragon Anantabhoga uproot the mountain Mandara and put it in the middle of the sea of milk, on the back of a tortoise. The mountain became the churning instrument. Next, they asked the dragon Basuki to be the churning rope. Then they called in gods on one side and the demons on the other. The gods were to pull on one extremity, the demons on the other. Indra, the king of the gods, sat on the top of the mountain to stabilise it.

They began pulling. From the churning waters sprouted the goddess Sri, the goddess Laksmi, the horse Ucaisrawa and the cosmic jewel Kastubamani. They all fell on the side of the gods.

When the water of life, amerta, came out, it fell on the side of the giants. Wisnu devised a trick. He turned himself into a beautiful girl. The girl goaded the demons into entrusting her with carrying the water. She had barely gotten the amerta of life when she ran away, turning back into Wisnu. The Gods and the demons have been at war ever since.

At the time of the churning of the sea of milk, Garuda was still an egg, an unborn son to the godly seer Kasiapa, begotten of the latter's wife Winata.

As such, he was also the unborn younger brother of Arjuna, the charioteer of the sun, and the unborn half-brother of the cosmic snakes (nagas) begotten by Kadru, one of Kasiapa's 29 wives. Garuda was later to kill the nagas and become Wisnu's vehicle.

It all started with an argument between Kasiapa's wives Kadru and Winata on the colour of the tail of the horse Ucaistrawa which had come out of the churning milky waters at the same time as the water of life. Kadru claimed that the horse was white and black-tailed, while Winata insisted it was completely white.

Fed up with quarreling, they eventually settled on a bet. Whoever was proven wrong would become the other's slave. Kadru was indeed wrong. The horse had no black tail, but before her rival knew it, she concocted a deception. She had her children the snakes, spray the tail of the horse with their white poison. Thus the tail turned black. Winata then became Kadru's slave. The moment of enslavement for the mother was the moment of birth for the son. The egg was hatching.

Garuda eventually came to life shining like fire, his glaring light filling the firmament in all directions. The amazed gods thought that doomsday was coming and that at last, the time had come for the burning of the three worlds. But Agni, the god of fire, knew the truth, and he harangued the other gods with these words: "O you gods, don't you be frightened. The time has not come for my burning of the world. Doomsday is still far away. What light is it you see? It is Garuda's light. Powerful among the birds, he is none other than Kasiapa's son, begotten of Winata. His brilliance equals my own."

The appeased gods then addressed homage to Garuda : "O Garuda, you are the seer, you are the priest, you are the god, you are the master of all that flies, you are the king. Your brightness is equal to the sun light ... Protect us, most powerful among the birds." Soothed by the praise, Garuda turned off his brilliance and his light was gone.

Having found his enslaved mother, Garuda was assigned to guarding his half brothers, the snakes. But he was naughty. Whenever he could, he would surreptitiously kill one of them and eat it. At length he got tired of his duty and addressed his half brothers in these words:

"Hey! You nagas the snakes, tell me how can I buy back my mother's freedom?"

"You really intend to buy your mother's freedom back?" came the reply, "you want to break her bonds of slavery? Listen. Did you ever hear about the water of immortality, the holy amerta, which the gods obtained in the churning of the sea of milk? Go there and get it for us."

Knowing at last what to do, Garuda went to his mother to ask for her advice and her blessing.

She instructed him: "Go first to that island by the other shore of the sea. It is peopled with villains and killers. Kill them and eat them, one by one. They are to be your food during your quest for the amerta. But, beware! Don't kill the Brahmins ... isn't your father the godly seer Kasiapa also a Brahmin?"

She carried on with some encouragement: "The god Bayu (energy) will look after your wings, the goddess Candra (moon) will look after your back, and the gods Agni (fire) and Angin (wind) will look after your head. All the gods will protect you."

Garuda left and soon began a rampage, killing and eating villains, turtles and elephants. He eventually reached "the peak of Somaka, source of the amerta, in the land of Sangka" where he was confronted by the godly troops of Indra: the 12 Sandhya of the East, the sons of Dharma, the eight Basu of the South, the eleven Rudra of the West and the 12 Aditya of the North, headed by Indra, the king of the Gods.

Clawing and pecking at them all, he eventually triumphed. "He would hit the eyes of the frightened gods and, blood flowing, they would go dark, unable to see the world any more." Having won his fight, he carried on.

He took some water from the ocean and put out the fire guarding the entrance to the cave in which the amerta was kept. He then fought his way in against the two guardian dragons, killing and eating them. At last the amerta was his.

As he was flying back, Wisnu caught sight of him leaving and asked him to grant a favour. The law in these times demanded that a favour asked, had to be granted.

Wisnu's demand was simple. "Oh great Garuda bird, serve me as my vehicle." So it has been ever since.

Garuda is Wisnu's vehicle. The amerta in his hands, Garuda took it to the snakes and his mother was freed. Before giving it he advised the snakes to cleanse first by bathing. They complied. While they were away, the God Indra came and stole back the amerta of life.

Thus is the myth. It portrays how Garuda becoming Wisnu's vehicle after he had found the elixir of immortality, the key to his mother's release from slavery.

No, anger, no pride.
Posted by: at November 13, 2006 10:15 PM

i never had any anger or pride . . .
Posted by: at November 15, 2006 05:39 PM

I dont think so-I never had pride and anger
Posted by: at November 15, 2006 07:06 PM

I was going through utter rage . . . .
Posted by: at January 24, 2007 11:56 AM

Bearing false witness, no-name?

Whoever wrote that piece about, 'jesus said it like it is, but there is also a time to be meek', and you gave examples....very well said! Now that kind of preaching, which is truthful, is worth listening to.

Keep speaking!

Mr mr: TL;DR.

My rage had NOTHING to do with Pride; iwas angry that people were NOT catching up with me. i get angry at myself because I lvoe myself. How am i to edify myself if i dont ccriticize myself. And if we dont criticize each other constructivley HOW the Fuck ar ewe to GROW. I AM ANGRY and hurt that NOT everyone is gonna make it. It was out of sympathy and lvoe and outrage at how peopelm are gonna go to hell cuz they wont listen. it is because I care about peopel that i get worked up. I care so much that i get angry!!! I STOPPed caring cuz u know what they are GOING to hell and i cant help it; I cant save peopel. I am not superman. Christ was angry at the world but he pitied it and mounred it as well.get it!!! Goodbye!!!

I am soooooooooooooooooo angry that peopel wont listne for their own damn good. When I was a little girl, I would tell my parents about certain thoguhs i had and then they criticized me calling my a know it all.I poured out my HEART to save them from their DAMN stupidity . it hurt not because they would not listen to me (forget me!!!!) but because they WUD NOT see the fucking TRUTH. WOULD NOT YOU GET ANGRY IF YOUR DAN KIDS WUD NOT TAKING UR WARNING? WUD HURT YOUR fucking ass if ur KIDS got hurt??? It is the same HERE. MY passion Moves me; and not pride. WTF do I get out of this??? I opened my big fat mouth about OBAMA. if he runs for pres and actually wins, MY LIFE WILL BE ON the fucking line. YOu thinking I am doing this for attention???? IS that wat u think?????? HUH???????You think self-righteous indgination movedme, HUHHHHHHHHHHHH??? Do you??? You dont know how many peopel will have turned away from the Anti-christ because of this Proohpecy. WHOm I lament are people WHO wont fucking listen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO you think I wanna see peopel go to hell????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Why do you fucking think I am sooooooooo damn hurt??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? HUH??????????????????????????????? I am hurting for the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am hurting. i dont care what Obama is gonna do to me. i see what he is going to do to some of us, BUT I DONT fuckign care. REVELATION is REVELATION is REVELATION IS REVELATION. I am putting MY life on the fucking LINE.MY LIFE. Do you thin kI even care???? WHo the fuck are youto mis quote me and tell me that my Pride made me angry??? HUH??? Shallow bitch????? NO wonder u dont know JAck Shit about Obama. GOD reveals Himself to the fucking humble. And if the humble speak righteousness THEN SO FUCKING BE IT, you bitch. You know I wud burn for YOUR damn ass if it came to that, but WTF, you are so oblivious to what if happening to the world. I am getting angry cuz ur LITERALLY throwing urself in the FIRE. And u are criticizing me for getting concern. WHY DO PARENTS get outraged at their kinds? is it because they burn with indigination or is it because they burn with care????? I STOPPED CARING BECAUSE I AM NOT UR MOMMA- CHrist is and i am NOT JESUS, but i wanna walk in that. Everytime i get concerned at outraged at self-destruction I become the Evil onee, I become Satan. Well EXCUSE UH fucking MUAH for gettign angry. I am trying to get YOU to understand, but I am toooooooooooooooooooooo idealistic. ibeleive toooooooooooooo much in people AND IF I WAS EVER FUCKING PRIDEFUL I WUD HAVE KEPT THIS REVELATION TO MYSELF BECAUSE I WUD OF THOUGHT OF MYSELF AS SPECIAL. I AM NOT SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT MY RELATION WITH CHRIST MAKES ME THE HEIR TO HIS KINGDOM. DO U THINK I WANNA SAY MY GOODBYES TO HUMANITY? i DONT MEAN GOODBYES. I MEAN THE ETERNAL GOODBYE. I WILL NEVER SEE MY OWN KIND AGAIN-THE PEOPEL I MET AND LOVED AND KNEW. IT HURTS AND IT IS BREAKING MY HEART SO MUCH. SO MUCH. IN AWAY IT IS SELFSIH OF ME TO WANT HUMANITY AND BELEIVE IN IT BECAUSE APART OF ME IS STILL CLINGING ONTOWHATEVER IS LEFT OF EVRYONE'S HUUMANITY. I REFUSE TO BE CYNICAL ABOUT HOW VILE HUMAN NATURE IS. I REFUSE AND THAT DENIAL, IT IS LIKE A MOTHER WHO REFUSES TO BELEIVE THAT HER DAMN KID IS LEARNING DIASABLED BECAUE IT IS HER KID. LIKEWISE I REFUSE TO BELEIEVE MOST PEOPLE REALLY ARE TAINTED AND EVIL BECAUSE I HAVE A PAST CONNECTION WITH HUMANS AND HAVE FELT GROUNDING IN BEIGN A SOCIAL BEING....CHRIST IS CHANGING ALL THAT. THE CONCEPT OF HUMAN FAMILY IS BEING ERODED-WE AR EBEING MADE LIKE THE ANGELS ARE. I HAD SO MUCH HOPE FOR THE WORLD. AND I WAS THE ONE WHO GOT HURT BECAUSE THE DAMN TRUTH IS MANY MANY MANY INCLUDING THOSE GOSH DARN IT BIBLE FOLK ARE GOING TO HELL.....THANKY UOU AND BYE!!!!

You think self-righteous indgination movedme, HUHHHHHHHHHHHH??? Do you???

Yup. Kind of looks that way from here.

dO you THINK I WANNA SAY GOOD BYE TO NEARLY EVERYONE ON EARTH?????? dO U THINK I WANNA SEE SOME PAGAN IN CHINA WHOM I NEVER KNEW TO GO TO HELL????? DO U THINK IWANT THAT CHINT ILMS LADY TO GO TO HELL??????????????? HELL FUCKING NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BUT ICANT HELP THE CHOICES THEY MAKE. REMEMER WAT HAPPENED TO LOTS' WIFE????? SHE TOOK ONE LAST GLANCE AT THE WORLD BEFORE SHE LEFT AND SHE TURNED INTO Salt???? CAN U FEEL THE HOLY SPSPIRT RIGHT NOW?? cUZ I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD IS PERFECTING IS BRIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS TRYING TO PURGE HER SO THAT SHE WONT BE AS ATTACHED TO HUMANITY???????/ IF I LOOKED BACK AND STILL HAD THAT LONGING YOU THINK GOD WUD APPROVE OF IT. WHY DID GOD SIMPLY DSTROY ALL THOSE PEOPEL IN SODOM AND GOMORRAH?? IWILL TELL U WHY?? tHEY WERE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WICKED-BEYOND SALVATION. EVEN GOD LOST HOPE IN THEM????????? RIGHT????? IT IS ALL IN THE BIBLE, YOU FUNDIESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL IT IS THE 21 ST CENTURY ANDPEOPLE ARE THE SMAE WAY. AND GOD AND HIS BRIDE WILL HAVE THE SAME ATTITUDE TOWARDS PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE THOSE FROM SODOM AND GOMORRAHE-IT IS AN ATTITUDE OF INDIFFERANCE. DO U GET IT????? I MA TOO LOCKED UP IN BEING A SOCIAL CREAUTE SO MUCH THAT i AM ROOTING FOR TE WORLD, BUT I MA TOO FUCKING IDEAL. THE WORLD IS MESSED UP. MESSED UP. WE ARE NEARING THE LAST TEARS AND PEOPEL ARE GETTING EVEN MORE WICKED-MORE SO THAN SODAM AND GOMORRAH...AND IF IT WAS THAT FUCKING BAD FOR THEM , HOW DO YOU THINK GOD FEELS ABOUT US -AS A SOCIETY-AND CULTURE- NOW???? HUH???? I HAVE A HARD TIME WASHING MYSELF CLEAN FROM THE WORLD-I AM TOO ATTACHED TO CULTURE AND HUMANITY AND THE SOLIPSSITIC BELEIF THAT YES INDEED MA'AM WE CAN MAKE SOCIAL PROGRSS AND I BELEIVE THAT WE-HUMANS-CAN HAVE AN IDEAL WORLD. WHAT IDEAL WORLD?????? WE CANT HELP OURSELVES OUTTA SIN, YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A BETTER WORLD?? PLEASE......................................................................................................................................................REMEMEBER THE TOWER OF BABYLON AND HOW A UNITED PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY CUD ACTUALLY BE gGOD AND WITH THESE SECULAR HUMANISTS FROM THE UNIVESITY OF CHICAGO AND COLUMBIA UNOVERSITY WHO DIVORCE THEIR IDEAS FROM GOD, WE ARE FUCKED. SO FUCKED. AND U KNOW WHAT OBAMA, AS I FOUND OUT LATER, IS A SECUALR HUMANIST. I WAS BORN INTO A FUCKING MUSLIM FAMILY AND NOW I KNOW THE LORD CHRIST, YOU KNOW???/ AND IT MAKES A DIFFERANCE TO HAVE JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR AND FRIEND AND LOVER AND HUSBAND. YOU KNOW???? I CAN TELL YOU NOW THAT OBAMA IS GOINGTO FUCK YOU GUYS OVER AND OUT. DO I MAKE MY CASE CLEAR??? OR NO???

WE ARE GOING IN CIRCLES HERE. WE ARE STUCK BUT I MA NOT GONNA GET STUCK WITH YOU, DR. SLACK.

I THINK YOU SHOULD USE ALL-CAPS MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! AND!!!!! MORE!!!!!! EXCLAMATION!!!!!!!!!!! POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS FOR PULLING A BABY OUT OF A WOMAN'S VAGINA, STICKING A PAIR OF SCISSORS IN HER OR HER SKULL AND SUCKING OUT IT'S BRAINS? HE IS FOR INFANTICIDE. HE IS PRO-CHOICE. WHY DO YOU KEEP ON SAYING HE'S A MAN OF CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY? THAT HE'S A NICE BLACK MAN, NOT HE ISN'T A NICE BLACK MAN. YOU ASSHOLES ARE AWFULLY SMELLY TO ME. IF THE BABY HAPPENS TO BE BORN ALIVE THRU THE FUCKING BOTCHED ABORTION, OBAMA SAYS NO MEDICAL ASSISTANCE. ALSO, STOP SAYING THAT IT'S THIS ONE OR THAT ONES FAULT BECAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T GET SAVED. GOD DOESN'T NEED US TO SAVE ANYONE, HE'S IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING THAT. AND GOD DOES NOT FUCKING CARE HOW WE FUCKIN SPELL.

Rah, after reading about half of one of the previous comments: "Wow. The needle just popped right off the crazyometer."

GOD DOES NOT FUCKING CARE HOW WE FUCKIN SPELL.

On this, as with so much else, you are terribly mistaken, my child.

Oh,thanks a lot God,now all the Democrats left

Incorrect punctuation is an abomination before mine eyes as well. I created you in my image. Don't go embarrassing me.

OH AND I AM 3/4'S BLACK, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT OBAMA IS AND I AM GOOD-LOOKING-THE MIZED BREED PRODUCES REALLY GOOD LOOKING ONE'S...
Posted by: at December 6, 2006 08:14 PM

AND IF I WAS EVER FUCKING PRIDEFUL I WUD HAVE KEPT THIS REVELATION TO MYSELF BECAUSE I WUD OF THOUGHT OF MYSELF AS SPECIAL. I AM NOT SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: at January 24, 2007 07:46 PM

Or am I "misquoting" you again?

I have found some interesting information out on this guy, his father and step father were both Muslim, he attended school at a Muslim school, and he was registered as a Muslim.

I believe that the Anti Christ could come out of Abrahams first son Ishmael, this is your modern day Muslims. Let me ask you what the number 1 growing religion of the world is? You got it Muslim. 1 in 5 people in the world is Muslim. How can there be peace in the world? Everyone converts to Muslim. Watch out world if you dont convert you will face a road much like our dear martyrs did in Rome. We must be ready like Daniel and Meschach, Shadrach, and Abendigo. Ready to die for our faith, there isnt much time.

The fields that were once white to harvest have rotted and the fruit is falling on the ground. We must pick up our baskets and be ready for our Lord is at hand.

Look around you... You cant tell from Season from Season, Bears awakening early in Russia because its so warm, Ice melt down at the Pole, snowing in Los Angelas, Earthquakes Large winds(hurricanes), Tsunammis,

Murdering unborn children but save the animals!! Sodom and Gommarah is called America. Do whatever makes you feel good...Our destruction is upon us. I'm ready for God to come back......

I have found some interesting information out on this guy, his father and step father were both Muslim, he attended school at a Muslim school, and he was registered as a Muslim.

Translation: "Hello, I'm a moron who gets all his information from Fox News." Thank you for playing.

FOXNEWS RULES. GO BILL O'REILLY! May God bring all you pro-choicers to your knees.

"AND IF WE CAN ACCEPT THAT A MOTHER CAN KILL HER OWN CHILD, HOW CAN WE TELL OTHER PEOPLE NOT TO KILL ONE ANOTHER?" - Mother Theresa -

Translation: "Hello, I'm a moron who gets all his information from Fox News." Thank you for playing.

how i see it: "Look at me... i'm a ridiculing asshole who believes anything CNN has to say"

Says more about you, I'm afraid. CNN actually went and visited the school with cameras, while the FoxNews guys just pulled it out of their asses without a shred of evidence to back it up.

i just so i clarify... El Cid... it wasn't 7:33 here... it was 6:33 (i'm in iowa) when i was done and posted... i dind't need to speed to get there in time... i just enjoy speeding

Fox.. CNN... i give a shit less...
i've never once brought up anything about his Muslim background (at the most... i may have only called him a half-muslim... but that shit was funny to me)
... like i care about the report (like i'd seen either one)

this page is getting away from the topic... it's becoming more like poltics.

i look at previous posts from people such as Adam (who have since dissappeared from here) and compare them to the latter posts... and it's getting sad

yes... i ripped on CNN... i apologize.... but it really gets old hearing the same left wing religious spouts such as "fox news" and "rush limbaugh said..." and "haliburton" and "dick cheney"... it gets really tiresome and simply debunks opinions in my mind anymore... we all know in the past it's been used simply to distort opinions and play a story in the way they want it to be portrayed.

(i didn't know about a fox news topic of him claiming to be a muslim... that is why i apologize... i pulled an insult out of my ass so to speak that was undeserving)

i can find many instances where it happpens by the other side as well... that's my point.... it all depends on which slant they want to send the story too. Don't play it off like FoxNews is the only people doing it.

now ... enough with this nonsense.... let's talk some barack obama is the anitchrist people

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skinny is more right than you people know

p.s.

vote for me in 2008

love,

the beast

I think Obama is the next Anti-Christ. It just goes together.I mean look at him he's odd!! Im sure as hell not voting for him...But I dont know thats just me!!!

I think Obama is the next Anti-Christ

Who was the last anti-christ?

The last anti-christ was Bill Clinton but the angel Monica was sent to blow him back down.

According to Nostradomas, there are a total of three Antichrists. The first one was Napolean, the second one was a tie between the Danube River and the Dadaist movement, and the third will be either Obama, Osama, or Lidsey Lohan (depending on how you read the quatrains).

the second one was a tie between the Danube River and the Dadaist movement

Non. Ceci n'est pas une antichriste.

Obama is too old to be the Anti-Christ.

I'm sorry.....a bit confused here....been reading this thread too long.

So in summary....Obama is or is not the Anti-Christ?
(You have 30 seconds)

'Cause after all of this, I am going to believe whoever wins this argument without question.

i was actually stupid enough to follow the link to the site... and upon realizing how long and drawn out and boring (yet eloquent)... i gave up after (i lost count)... many paragraphs
... so i closed it and returne here...
... only to find you copied the whole fucking thing on this page...
what the hell my friend?

now you only have 20 seconds to sum it all up...
. .. GO!

(hums jeopardy theme)

10 seconds

okay times up everybody!

let's see what we all came up with,
once again the answer is "This political facist was once heralded as the savior of the Democratic party before being found as the anti-christ"

Senator Kennedy, what did you put.

well alex, went with 'who is osama obama.... i mean obama osama... i mean obama bin laden'

oooh!

sorry teddy, what did you wager on that one?
every dime and a half a glass of scotch... ouch!

well thank you for playing and better luck next time.

now let's see what our former president Mr. Bill Clinton came up with, shall we?

Awww shucks Alex... i didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings here, so i just went with "who's Hillary?" uh huh huh huh

oooooh
Good answer there Bill but not quite what we're looking for
how much did we wager?
ANOTHER 4 YEARS in the WHITE HOUSE??
ooooh, i'm sorry
thanks for playing and good luck on your race to becoming the first lady.

you'll have to call me a lesbian...
uh huh huh huh

thanks for having me alex, remember
Hillary-Cares in 08

uh... sure

well Mr.Skinny, it's all up to you.

again, the answer is "This political facist was once heralded as the savior of the Democratic party before being found as the anti-christ"
show us what you came up with.

well Alex...
... i'm gonna go out on a limb here

i said "who the hell is Barack Obama?"

and that is the correct answer...
. .. show us what you wagered!!

EVERY LAST DIME!!! oh boy!
that brings your total winnings up to 100 dollars... CONGRATULATIONS! you are today's Jeopardy champion!

hey people instead of worrying about the antichrist you should visit www.spiritlessons.com the revelation of hell and the revelation of heaven there will give you a sword against all the evils of hell because whether obama is or isn't the Antichrist YOU WILL DIE AS ALL PEOPLE IN HISTORY NO ONE ESCAPES DEATH food for thought In my opinion it's better to die with a sword in your hand than to wait for the inevitable with your pants down. I can honestly say when every thing hits the fan my faith will survive. oh and for all you Satan worshiping people you will love the testimonies of the devil worshipers in hell I strongly recommend the testimony of hell by Mary Baxter it's a blast trust me you will enjoy it sooooo much you will get a kick out of hearing all the rewards the devil has for all his followers. the detail of the fun and power they have there is a real eye opener. but in all honesty the revelation of hell is a revelation that all and I mean all people should check out.

All of you guys are insane! If you actually read your bible, you would know that Barack Obama is not the antichrist. The antichrist is not even going to be from America. He is going to be from Europe.

WOW, I think peopel here ar really messed up-really really messed up. It is thus useless for me to continue pounding that Obama is the fucking anti-christ. . . Oh and btw jsu tbecause I say that I a GOOD-LOOKING it does not make me prideful. That would make GOD a fucked up being since many men who were in His favor were wed to beautiful women. There is NOTHING sinful or prideful about being good-looking, it is sinful when you are jealous about someelse's beauty. BEAUTY in a woman is REPLETE in the BIBLE; so is jealousy so watch ur prideful mouth...and yeha the fruit has GONE too sour. too late to prosetlyze anything/anyone but Iwil stlll be the one grieving for folks as usual.

God Bless

Hi, I also think that is time to be more public and vocal about Obama's future role-if not present role as well- as the anti-christ. We won't make it alive when everyone else is already if not currently worshipping this idiot. We gotta go out there and SHOUT it out!!! We should not fear being attacked and murdered; I mean how purposeful is our life going to be if WE are not doing the Lord's will prophesying against Obama??? I think some of us are meant to be prophets!!!!!!! Hipp hip hurray...this is our last stop on eart as it is currently before it becomes a heavan on Earth. Three Cheers for God, the messiah is coming...I can't wait!!!!!!!!! Hipp Hipp hurray, Jesus I am waiting for YOU!!!!!

Maybe Obama and all of the other potential Anti-Christs...antichristeses.....antichristi (or whatever) could compete for the title! Every week, we can watch them on TV, and after the show, we dial a 1-800 number to vote for our favorite. Ryan Seacrest could host, and we could call it American Idolatry!
If nothing else, I'd tune in to watch the auditions...anyone else?

Jinx Spade, you rule.

That is, you will if you win the contest.

Dude, Seacrest should be a contestant.

In my opinion it's better to die with a sword in your hand than to wait for the inevitable with your pants down.

What if you have your pants down AND your sword in your hand? Would that cover all your bases, as it were?

Jinx: I love it! You could have all the awful auditions on and Simon could be all like: "You've only broken 6 commandments? What are you doing? Don't quit your day job." And Paula would be all drunk like "Heyyyyy, Shhhhush Simon. If youuu want to break a 7th anytime soon, caaaAAll me, OK? Please?.... Please call me."

we could call it American Idolatry!

That is inspired.

I wonder, would it a sin to vote for Obama for President but refuse to have take the sign of the devil on my forehead or hand.

I think Obama barack HUSSEIN is the christ come anti.

you bet it would cover all the bases when you go to hell you can try to piss the fire burning at your feet off and at the same time get your but stamped with a pitchfork. and after all what could be more fun than that ehh. anyways take some time to check out the web site you will enjoy it even if it's for entertainment sake lots of luck

The anti-crist IS (!) not a human being. There will be a leader who will control the beast.
Now the anti-christ is everything attached with the internet.. If you look up the discription of the beast you will see that the internet follow all requirements. Seems pretty logical to me..the only way to brainwash the entire world is be mass-media..

I'm not saying that Obama wont have his part in it..There would come a black leader. It should be him, right?

It's quite remarkable that this topic started in august 2004! I've heard of this guy since 3weeks, and I live in Belgium and it's now Februari 2007!
So my point is, it's becoming more obvious that he's the black beast, assuming that the main part of this topic people were already seeing him as a future beast..we're 2.5 years later and he's in the news, in magazines.

I read in this topic things like :
"He's just another socialist in Democrat clothing. Poor Democrats. Poor U.S." -feb 2005

merely 2 year later he's a candidate for becoming president..this is far to obvious..

Wow, in 2 years and he has already been on Oprah. Hes got to be the AntiChrist. Everyone at work is going to vote for him. Really Scary, Everyone is in love with him.. I refuse to look at him. I think that he is brainwashing people. Beware America, turn off your TV he will take over your mind and you will never be the same. DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA 2008 you will regret. Thank you people of America for your time.....

Unbelievable. Talking with my Mother tonight, she told me of her recent research on Magitto. (Look it up). This led to peak oil, the anti-christ and other fun subjects. She is Cherokee and scary spititual (as was my great-grandfather)

The possibility of Obama = AN antichrist came up.

Conclusion = possibly THE anti-christ.

The man gives her the creeps.
The stage is being set.
The world is changing drastically.
The man is hypnotizing.
Basically came out of no where. (kinda like Cinton, but WJC never gave nobody the creeps that I know of)

Obama Barack will be the next US president.

Could he really get possessed by Satan?

And a serious question.

If you believe in God and think Jesus was a rightous dude and a son of God, but have never been baptized .. do you still get to goto heaven? Or will you be, like, detained at the pearly gates and have to through some hairy red tape delay? Or worse!?

well that depends on your sins if they are washed or not everyone has sins "but" sins can and i repeat can be cleaned. the only way ones sins can be cleaned is through Christ. that was the reason for being crucified crucifixion sounds foolish until you start to question the why and not only the why but the state of the person being crucified. what Christ did was to purchase all souls and to take the keys of hell from the devil.In order to do do this he had to be clean off all sin going to the cross and then to be prosecuted as a sinner that means Jesus had to take all sin onto himself. and die as a sinner and go to hell for 3 days and suffer all the torments of hell. trust me 3 seconds in hell would be unbearable. but as he paid the price he also bought all of mankind that is why no one can go to the father except through Christ. sounds illogical but it's the only logic for trying to save mankind from a place of torment. he knows the torment to be suffered and does not want one soul to go there. but in order for him to forgive you have to accept the the sacrifice done for """"""""YOU""""""" tough to know but if you don't have the time to read the bible. there are testimonies of people that have gone to hell and back accompanied by Christ. in order to let
""""""YOU""""""" know what the devil does not want you to know. so if your not sure if you do go to heaven instead of hell you can hear about it from the people who are actually stuck there and the reasons why they are there. go the the home page www.spiritlessons.com and listen tho the testimonies it will and I repeat it will change the way you look at life and if you still think hells fiction you can go to www.av1611.org/hell.html and you will find scientific proof of hell by listening to the audio the scientist recorded while burrowing in to the earth in order to listen to tectonic plates. listen to it and you be the judge.

This site has GOT to be one a biggest collection of kooks, weirdos and assorted nuts on the entire internet. Reading the posts here is hilarious! What trailer park do you people live in? "Anti-Christ"? "Truly evil"? "666". HOLY SMOKES!!! In all my internet surfing, this has to be the greatest collection of nit-wits, screwballs, and numbskulls I've ever encountered. Whew! Are you all THAT afraid of a Black man? ONE Black man? If you loonies are in anyway a true reflection of what this country has sunk to, then perhaps you COLLECTIVELY are indeed, "THE ANTI-CHRIST". ha ha ha ha ha...You all crack me up!!!

I think barack is the right man why:
-give blacks a chance
-unlike GWB he is real tellz it like it is
-whites hate blacks they will always oppose
-GWB is really anticrhist www.bushisantichrist.com
-ENOUGH SAID I DONT WANNA ARGUE BARACK FOR PREZ-
dont hate on him cause he is black it aint his fault
nostradamus says antichrist is responsible for the war(in iraq)and that is GWB so get off barack obama he is the right man

Mr. Obama is definitely a charismatic man and I believe that he really believes that all that he is doing is good(although I don't know how anyone can think it is good to deprive newborns who survive abortions of medical care). I think that he will sell out as he gains more power and he will be president and appear to save the US from the many woes. But as things in the world get worse, he will give in to the pressure of darkness and evil and will use the laws that the sitting president has enacted for our protection to imprison all those who will not accept his amoral reign calling us "the haters".

We are in the end times and the antichrist will be revealed soon.

The devil has made sure that this thread has become a laughing-stock so that people will not believe it. All the Christians who have spewed hate here should repent for Jesus says that we will be known by our love. It brings ill-repute to Christ's name when we allow ourselves to be provoked to anger.

May all who read this have eyes to see and ears to hear and hearts to understand their need for Christ. Remember this when you hear of Obama's power and popularity. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and it will not matter to you whether Obama is the one. Blessings to all!

yeah yeah yeah.. blame it on the black thing again

i'll prove that it's not a black thing.... here are my top 5 anti-christs:
(we should all do this... good way to drum up the contestants for "American Idolatry"

1. Obama (in a landslide)
2. the next pope (whether he's black... or white)
3. Hillary Clinton (who may also win in 08... sad to say)
4. Pedro... guy comes from out of nowhere in Napoleon Dynamite and all of the sudden he's in Employee of the Month... wtf... must be some higher power of evil (actually i just wanted to make it look like i fear Mexicans AND Black people... drum up a few more bigotry blessings)
5. Rosie O'Donnell

can i be a special guest judge... like that Jewel chick was?

"yes... i can clearly see your evil... but you didn't perform any of these devilish acts while singing 'Don't You Wish Your Girlfriend Was Hot Like Me'... so.. SORRY .... NOT quite evil enough"

letz all agree on sumin...people hatin on barack obama cause he is black...tell you what GWB still has a year or so to f*ck up the worse is yet to come believe me that...and by the way the antichrist bullsh*t aint makin sense..callin sir obama a antichrist damn the dude is peacefull he is from a religious family his dad is black devils dont work with africans btw george was a memeber of some cult they called the skulls or sumin like that and barack is born in hawaii dad is from kenya mom is white american and barack was bought up in indonesia and bush is some how related to the british royal family did you all know that? NO! also the antichrist was related to the royal family says nostradamus you can also check the prove the site is www.bushisantichrist.com i tell you USA is up for a punishment from god the blood spilled in iraq and for voting a idiot good luck you will need dat

Swizz from Australia

Thanks Christian .... that was actually very helpful to me.

Welcome to the club Hesought !

I'd bet you'd be 1st in line for the government sponsored forehead implant if that day comes in our lifetimes.

If you are still for it, and God takes you to heaven, I'll pass and go to hell. I don't want to be near you evil rats.

Wow, Stacey, you're like, more righteous than God! You go girl! Way to tell God that His lousy two-bit Heaven isn't the kind of place someone so holy as you would even think of being seen in! You're an inspiration to Christians everywhere!

top five AC candidates

5. wal-mart
4. the internet
3. eric cartman
2. barack obama
1. hesought

And I mean every word of what I say.

People have never inspired me. I did not come to faith in the scriptures by any fucking thing the likes of one of you have done. I just happen to know the scriptures are truthful, obviously made known to me by the holy spirit. Now do something useful and go tell men and women that it is not polite to pull a kid out of the vagina of a women, stick a pair of scissors in the kid's skull and then suck out its brains. Go ahead now be a good dobie.

ps Did anyone ever tell you God loves you so much? smooch.

I recently heard how elementary school kids are being abused by adults. Adults fuckin suck. The new thing now is to make talking during the school day a forbidden. The kids can't even talk during their lunch break. They have life guard chairs set up in the middle of the cafe floor with cocksuckers just waiting for a kid to speak one word. They also have some type of apparatus wtih a green and red lite. I guess this is to let the kids know when they can fart. You people are all sick. God save the children. The children are the only ones worth saving anymore. From conception to say 20.

Stop the presses ... Stacey is the AC

It doesn't matter whether or not Barack Obama is the anti-christ. What matters is whether or not you're prepared to face eternity. To do this you need to accept the fact that you are a sinner, believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the Cross for your sins, and then confess your sins to God, repenting of them and turning your back on them. Once this is done you can rest in Him and have the peace that passes understanding.

Hesought, i am not scared of one black man. I loathe the man (any man or woman) obama because he is for the murder of children thru abortion. if he were 100% for life, he'd have my vote in a heartbeat. of course one can claim to be one way just to deceive and then turn around and dismiss it after an accomplished mission. there is no one to trust. put your faith in jesus and hope for the best.

i agree there are alot of looney tunes in here and everywhere. i am not one of them. i am just disgusted with how disgusting humans have become. children are so abused these days by lunatic adults who control their lives in a negative way. once they grow into adulthood, they're no fucking good because of what they've learned and been put thru. no one has any respect for a child. adults do not speak up to defend them. the kid suffers in silence until he eventually explodes down the road.

It's great that you are (righteously) angry about the mistreatment of children through abortion and abuse. But one thing I think you should remember is that ranting and raving doesn't help those children. All it really does is hurt you. People won't respect you because they see you as somebody who loses control. Also, it will just build as anger and resentment which will turn into bitterness and this gets you nowhere. You need to accept the fact that, until the Lord returns, there will be people who choose to do unspeakable things. You should just get on your knees daily, praying for these people, and all of the helpless children. Keep telling people how wrong it is, but do it rationally and remember that there will always be those who will not hear.

Ok, let's address the abortion issue once and for all, shall we? There is a simple answer to this, whether or not we choose to believe it.

There are currently 3.5 million people starving in the United States. There are around one hundred thousand abortions performed each year.
I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the country; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this country: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.

Now tell me, honestly, can anyone object to this? No abortions, no mess, no fuss!

But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even His life to love us. So, the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love, that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts.

By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And, by abortion, that father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. The father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion.

- Mother Theresa

Though if you want guidance on cozying up to murderous dictators and running an embezzlement scheme, she'd be an excellent place to start.

There are for certain a large amount of seekers out there. Seeking for the truth. I know the truth and it set me free. Many years ago I was lost and on my way to hell, of course I never killed any one. But I was a liar, a thief, gossiped, had evil thoughts. I was also molested as a child. I was unfit for anyone I thought. But guess who found me? You got it Jesus!!! He came to me showed me that without him I was nothing. I accepted his invitation and I am a believer, I do not go by Christian, this has lost its true meaning.

Satan right now is telling you that there is no God that this is all stupid and crazy, but let me tell you when you trully experience the LOVE of God there is no turning back. Its like something you can never have enough of. You can scoff call us crazy but I would rather be crazy for christ than go to hell unbelieving.

You can be a believer too.

1. Confess your sins
2. Ask GOD to come into your life
3. Read and pray
4. Find other "BELIEVERS" to worship with

God Bless

Wow, that Mother Teresa article is amazing.

boy devout your whole life to helping others. and still be thought of as cow-dung what have people become. good thing all people don't think the same way or this would really be hell on earth I guess only the people who point fingers are the righteous ones. and every body else is the lowest form of life.

Hitchens wrote an entire book on Mother Teresa that is very much worth reading (this is one of my personal hobbyhorses). She is held up as some sort of avatar of compassion and self-denial, when the truth is she was essentially a con artist running a pyramid scheme and hobnobbing with some of the most malevolent people on the planet. In essence, a wrinkled, Albanian Pat Robertson.

That so fine a mind as Stacey apparently bases her morality on her is unsurprising.

The thing that really got me about the Mother Teresa thing is not so much that she was apparently a hypocritical con artist, or at least misguided and irresponsible in her treatment of the poor. After all, we've seen religious scammers before (although not usually with such good PR).

What really got me is that the Church was so quick to sweep aside its rules and procedures to beatify her right away. I thought the Church would take its own rules more seriously than that.

Hallelujah, eerkmab! The most important point is that ALL need Christ as Lord and Savior.

If you will follow His admonition to love God with all you are and others as yourself, the rest will follow.

Barack Obama even seems to want to do that, at least for now. Maybe he is not the antichrist YET. BTW, Jesus had dark skin too. His race/color is not the issue. In the end, will Obama sell out to God's enemy...that is the important question to answer. I think he will.

And to the one who said that demons don't come to blacks...ever hear of witch doctors? Very popular occupation in Africa, where most black people originated from. Whites have demons too, of course, as do all races.

Blessings all!

What really got me is that the Church was so quick to sweep aside its rules and procedures to beatify her right away. I thought the Church would take its own rules more seriously than that.

Um why?

I see I still have to keep teaching here. Again, the vagina is not just for men, it's for the birth of a child, not for its death.

Now come on people, start spreading the word.

What the fuck does it mean to beatify her? Don't bother with the catholic teachings, they're corrupt. The only thing they've got right is that abortion is murder and they never bothered to preach it in the churches because they wanted your dough ray me.

start spreading the word

Which word? Vagina?

Look at what I read online about obama this morning.

During his time at law school, current presidential candidate Barack Obama was defusing battles large and small. (Today's Globe)

Sure sounds like the fucking anti-christ to me.

Stacey, do you know what the word "defusing" means?

Apostropher, don't you understand that the anti-christ is going to be the great deceiver? He will bring all people together and they will think all is well, then he is going to turn on them all. Things will be so bad and difficult, it's going to be a suffering like no other. He will bring world peace for 3-1/2 years, then turn around and cause unthinkables (for another 3-1/2 years, till Christ intervenes).

If I were the anti-christ I would go after God's own heart, and it would start with the Creator's sacred creation, the child, the most vulnerable, (this has got to cause God alot of pain). Obama plays on both sides of abortion, again to confuse people, to deceive. Barack Hussein Obama is no damn good.

ha ha Apostropher, lol...your joke about spreading the word, good one.

So if I understand this correctly, we should be extremely suspicious of anyone who seems to be going out of their way to make things better for everyone?

If someone has the gall to bring people together, they cannot be trusted, as they might possibly be the antichrist in training?

So as long as we're all miserable, we're all safe?

I think I see the light! As long as I show no faith in the intentions of anyone, and regard anyone who slightly differs from me as evil then there is no way that the antichrist can sneak up on me and we save the worl.....oh, wait...the world still ends, then, huh? Then the good little boys and girls enjoy the pleasure of an eternity of "I told you so," while they enjoy the torment of those who didn't agree with them. I'm always amazed at the rightous bloodlust of the supposedly holy.....

If I were the anti-christ I would go after God's own heart, and it would start with the Creator's sacred creation, the child, the most vulnerable, (this has got to cause God alot of pain).

If? How are you so sure that you're not the antichrist? You seem to want to bring people together around the anti-abortion issue. How do we know that you're not going to turn on us all?

People, guys and gals, you all, damn I'm getting weary of trying to teach you. How can anyone be a good guy or gal if he is for infanticide? How can you say a person who takes good care of himself but choses to let the innocent be taken out, be a man of character or integrity?

Anna sweets, no one listens to me, so i don't think i'm the AC.

From the tender age of 16 I instinctively knew abortion was murder. I was horrified as a kid learning adults did this with their own children and voted for others to be able to do so as well. Now that I am 48 years old, I see how fucking selfish people are, so nothing is a surprise or shocker anymore. It still pains me that humans won't stop the atrocities done to the little ones, but there is nothing I can do. But I can be a voice for the voices that were stopped. I want them to somehow know someone cared for them. (do they know, who the fuck knows) I know it's not becoming to swear, but it's a release for me. Other people find ways to dull their pain, however they chose to do it, via drinking, druging, gambling, whoring, shopaholic, bible thumpers, etc. The list goes on and on.

But I can be a voice for the voices that were stopped.

Too bad those voices in your head can't be stopped...

KJ, at what stage is a person a human to you and has the right to life and a voice?

Lookie at this one in the news now!

Kotb believes that more than 80 percent of divorces in the Arab world are caused by sexual problems. She recently advised couples not to renounce sex during the holy month of Ramadan.

I ask, isn't there problem with sex in the arab world because they cut the clitoris out of a 5 year old girl? Duh. Again, see the abuses on kids???

Unfortunately people are getting hung up on the fact that Obama is dark skinned. This is not the issue. He is a charismatic, intelligent man who came out of nowhere which sends up red flags in Christians. He could have had blond hair and blue eyes and we all would have had the same thoughts. I personally don't believe he is the anti-christ, but I do believe he will be used to set the stage for him. If he is elected, listen for talk about a one-world government, unity of religion, and "false" promises of peace.

By the way, the last statement was posted by me :}

Unfortunately people are getting hung up on the fact that Obama is dark-skinned. He is a charismatic, intelligent man who came out of nowhere which sends up red flags in Christians. The truth is, we would had the same thoughts if he would have had blond hair and blue eyes. I personally don't believe he is the anti-christ, but I do believe he is going to set the stage for the anti-christ. If he gets elected listen for talk of a one-world government, religious unity, and "false" peace.

Okay, I guess my point may get across, since it posted twice. Sorry, I'm computer illiterate, and obviously don't know what I'm doing.

Okay, I guess my point may get across since it posted twice. Sorry, I'm computer illiterate and obviously don't know what I'm doing.

I had to fix my punctuation before someone pointed out that I'm obviously illiterate because I had too many commas in my statement.

Unthinkables

This would be an awesome line of action figures.

I don't understand the "African American" thing. He isn't from Africa, he was born in the US, right? Get over the double names, please!!!

If he is the anti christ, it won't matter if he's president or VP (with Hillary), frankly, she's scarier than he is anyway!!

Clownaesthesiologist...cute line about unthinkables and Deedra...you're so right, Hill is scarier!

i'm beginning to see that dick cheney is a real dick. i think his lesbian daughter is a disgrace and the guy who jerked off in a cup and gave away his sperm to her is an even bigger dick. what a way to father a child!

THAT'S your big objection to Cheney, Stacy?

If so, you've got some pretty screwed up priorities.

Maybe Stacey thinks Dick was the guy with the cup?

Does Stacey think the guy with the cup was Dick?

I wish "Stacey" would stop trying to pretend she has a sense of humour. At least the unhinged rants about abortion and ignorant blathering about female circumcision in the Muslim world have a certain consistency of tone and tempo to them.

lol Slouching Tom.

Ok class, listen up. Again, see how the child gets hurt in the jerking off in a cup trick? It's selfish adults wanting their way all the time. Now this kid can know that her dad loved her so much he gave her away in a cup to two women who go against the teachings of God. I know people are miserable and they'll try anything to 'feel' happy, but class, take notes here, 'people, places and things won't make you happy. Not for long anyway. We were created to make God the head and not the tail. Stop trying to get fulfilled in what the world has to offer.

see how the child gets hurt

No.

A child needs the balance between a female and male. That's why God created us that way. God is both male and female. He is a father and a son and the Holy Spirit is the comforter (the female part) like a mother who comforts her child. God is also double breasted as his word states. Christ is called the bridegroom and the believers are called his bride. When the two become one as in man and wife, it's symbolic of christ and the love he has for us.

The reasons for most of our problems in the world today are because children don't have a mom and dad who are loving. Most families are broken.

I'm against murdering children thru abortion, but I would never murder anyone who does it, nor would I condone that evil. But God does say we shall reap what we sow. Most of our diseases are caused by our sin nature. That's why God warns us not to do certain things. If we take communion with blatant ongoing sin, God says we bring judgment upon ourselves. He doesn't make us sick, we bring it on ourselves. God says his people die from lack of knowledge. If a mother and father are filled with disease, alot of times they pass it on to the innocent child in the womb. Again, see how the kid get hurt.

i agree Stacey, but wil anyone listen??? I think peopel's lack of understand ing about Obama is WHAT will war the rest of us beleivers down. It is aggravating, but we must realize that their hearts are veiled and blind. I used to get perturbed simply because I knew all these people would go to hell-I have learned to accept that and move on. I wished people wud open their hearts unto us. I even been gentle and in prayer, but at the moment I am not sure how it is working. i feel an annointing but don't who who exactly on this forum or in our non-cyber life is gonna get dalvation. But I DO feel an anointing.

I used to get perturbed simply because I knew all these people would go to hell

Are you perturbed that Stacey will choose Hell because she thinks she's too good for Heaven?

i feel an annointing but don't who who exactly on this forum or in our non-cyber life is gonna get dalvation.

Which kind? There are 101 dalvations, you know.

Funny Deedra, I agree with you. The thought of seeing the Clintons on my television screen night after night is a much scarier thought than Barack Obama being the anti-christ.

I used to get perturbed simply because I knew all these people would go to hell

Did you also get perturbed when you yourself tried to curse people to hell? For example, when you said to me:

You are are here and NOW cursed forever and ever.

sorry people, but nobody with any muslim lineage - in a post 9-11 world - is going to be president of my country. And if he is - then everybody who votes for him deserves what the same level of beat down that the current Bush supporters get day in and day out.

Poor poor current Bush supporters. Beat down day in and day out. And with absolutely no justification whatsoever! I'll be it's all because W. is of Methodist lineage.

But there there little randy, don't let the injustice of being held accountable for who you voted for get you down, surely you will be rewarded in Heaven for supporting Glorious Leader Bush and defending American Freedom from people whose lineage you dislike!

So Randy, did you stop voting for anybody with any Christian "lineage" after the Oklahoma City bombing, too?

forgot to mention yesterday that Ramesh Ponnuru, author of The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts, and the Disregard for Human Life, spoke at the Family Research Council’s March for Life conference. I heard only the last part of his presentation (good sense of humor, given the seriousness of the subject matter) and didn’t get to meet him.

Update II (1/22 @ 8:43 p.m.): Must-read post from a commenter, “Changed Life”:

“As to abortion. I can speak as to what is wrong with it because I had one. If some asks now if I have children, I say none living. If they dare ask what happened, I tell them I murdered my children. I say children but I only had one abortion. They make me get off the table and go back into the office and pay them more money because the doctor says I am too big so I am further along than I think and I have to pay more money for him to do the abortion. Pay the money, back on the table, time passes, they wake me up tell me nope they were wrong, I was just having twins. How did they know it was twins — they counted arms, legs, heads of what they vacumned out. (No refund by the way). Guess it wasn’t the mass of meaningless unformed tissue they told me it was if they could count arms and legs.

“30 years ago and it feels like 30 seconds ago.

“I thank God for the peace he has placed in my heart and for his grace. Amazing Grace that saved a wretch like me.”

Ramesh Ponnuru [...] Family Research Council

[Rolls eyes] Ah yes, everything makes sense now.

chint ilms u are cursed, but now i know that i shud not even try winning u over. i though i cud...

i have come to terms with the death of the majority of humanity....bye

Most of our diseases are caused by our sin nature.

And the rest are caused by.....Ooma-loompas?

Or those pesky little germs and such...

i have come to terms with the death of the majority of humanity

Majority? Nope, everybody dies. Part of the human condition, you know?

I MEANT ETERNAL DEATH-people who are going to be deceived and/or dont have a relationship-a marriage with the Good Lord. GOT IT??? Think in abstractions, please...

chint ilms u are cursed, but now i know that i shud not even try winning u over. i though i cud...

You thought you could "win me over" (to your false prophecy?) by saying things like

Really, now go screw yourself and burn in hell, you bitch.

the very first time you talked to me?

With all due respect, no-name, I really think you need to work on your witnessing technique. Not to mention your anger issues. I'll pray for you to help you along.

I MEANT ETERNAL DEATH

You mean they won't be forever tortured in Hell, they'll just be dead?

Why are u telling me that I ma bearing flase witness..everything I told you was true-you were the first on eto accuse me of being Satan's agent trying to thwart everyone else. If your comment has any truth to YOU then yoo were the one bearing false witness. A part fo me KNEW that you were fucked up and it drive me angry becauise I wanted you and everyone else to SEE the DAMN truth, but YOU among others would NOT. I cud not see how dumb and shallow u were; now,m I do. God would not want me being torn between His will-to see people like you in Hell and my will-to desire humanity's best. NOW, I know. You accuse me of all those things that i never did. You were the very FIRST person to judge me and label what isaid as evil because you are shallow. As much as I hate shallow people and wanan change them so they are no longer blind, I cant f-ing help them...They are goners. How cud even clai I was making false propeshy??A re you 100% SURE I made a flase comment-that is your judgement and whim speaking , not God's. If you knew Him, you wud know about Obama but u are too damn shallow-your faith has not grown deep enough....get over it: Obama is the ANTICHRIST. GET OVER IT, please. U prolly wont but that is why ur going to HELL. I cant beleive God did not reveal to you the things he revealed me among others..Such a shame because I thoguht God loves us all unti li realized that God has an affinty and bond only with those who love Him and desire Him. God cant make us His wife-the Bride- if we wont go to Him.

You accuse me of all those things that i never did

What did I accuse you of?

A re you 100% SURE I made a flase comment-that is your judgement and whim speaking , not God's.

Are you 100% SURE that Satan isn't deceiving you and making you think that it's God talking to you when it's really Satan?

I cant beleive God did not reveal to you the things he revealed me among others

God has revealed to me, and to many others, that you are spreading false prophecies. You don't mean to do Evil, but Satan has deceived you so badly that you can't even imagine that you might be wrong. That is why we're praying so hard for you, that you might be saved from Satan's deceptions.

I cant beleive God did not reveal to you the things he revealed me among others

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." (Matthew 7:15)

I pray for No-name to be liberated from the false and vicious hate-based theology that now afflicts them.

I asked YOU first Chint ILms, are YOU 100% sure that I am lying? Throwing the question back onto me does not make you less guilty of anything. Examine your beleifs first before treading on my territory. Chint Ilms, you are shallow. and NO I come NOT in sheeps clothing-I have been the LEAST gentle of anyone on this forum. I told it like it "is."

Some of you have really really poor comprehensio skills, things which are necessary to interpret dialogue and text etc...

Time will tell....Time will tell...I can hear the pendulum striking closer and closer to the HOUR. I can hear it. I can hear it. OF course, everyone has got a second chance, you know. Perhaps Chont Ilms shall do best to come under my counsel so that God and I may purge her of her shallow attitude. Dont worry Chint Ilms, i will tender with you!!!!! but not if ur a lesbian which seems like it!!!!!

I asked YOU first Chint ILms, are YOU 100% sure that I am lying? Throwing the question back onto me does not make you less guilty of anything. Examine your beleifs first before treading on my territory. Chint Ilms, you are shallow. and NO I come NOT in sheeps clothing-I have been the LEAST gentle of anyone on this forum. I told it like it "is."

Some of you have really really poor comprehensio skills, things which are necessary to interpret dialogue and text etc...

Time will tell....Time will tell...I can hear the pendulum striking closer and closer to the HOUR. I can hear it. I can hear it. OF course, everyone has got a second chance, you know. Perhaps Chont Ilms shall do best to come under my counsel so that God and I may purge her of her shallow attitude. Dont worry Chint Ilms, i will be absolutely tender with you!!!!! but not if ur a lesbian which seems like it!!!!!

I pray for comprehensive mental health care for American citizens.

Many Christian like ChintIlms are so gosh darn confident about their relationship with God. Well, they think, of course God should grant me a lens throguh which i may more objectively see the world and FINALLY see the anti-christ. Well, iam Chint Ilms and I go to church with a 1000 people and my church is well-recognized. Surely, surely, Chint Ilms, God will reveal to you what the truth of the matter is becuase YOU THINK in YOUR MIND u r righteous while the minority who prophesy nare fucked up in the nead. Surely, there are strength in numbers. Surely. Christ was one and He won the entire world...U claim u KNOW because u are many like the legion. I claim my righteousnness not out of going to church or even by "acting faithful" but by Being faithful, two diffferant things. I dont act liek I am a goody too-shoes I let God Perfect me and that is harder than putting on a smiley face. Remember, it is always a minority in THE END. Biblical History repeats itself time and time again. Many beleivers will be decieved, so guard ur heart.... If many beleivers will be deceived that explains why "many are called but few are choosen."
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

"Many Christian like ChintIlms are so gosh darn confident about their relationship with God."

You seem pretty gosh darn confident about your relationship with God too, whoever you are. In fact, in this thread you sound much more like the Pharisee than the tax collector.

you should all fight...

. . . to the death !!

Ok Marg, whatever you say, but here you are condemning me-not criticizing me, but codneming me calling me a Pharasee...Will the REal Christianity please come out...??? There will be a ta-da in the End-Times and many so-called Christians will be surprised that those people whom they have labeled as freaks were "saying" righteous things versus being right(eous). Will the real jesus please come out!!!!

Ok Marg, whatever you say, but here you are condemning me-not criticizing me, but codneming me calling me a Pharasee

You're the one who has been condemning people throughout this thread, and at 5:37pm today you were the one who called someone a Pharisee. How do you know you're right and everyone else is wrong? Do you admit the possibility that you might be wrong?

Whatever happened to discussing whether or not Obama was the anti-christ?

2 Thes. 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren touching the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him; 2 to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand. 3 let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Accordimg to the above verse, the following will happen in sequential order.

1. There will be a falling away or people will be decieved.

2. The son of perdition-Obama-will be revealed.

3. Christ shall come.

People will realize who the fuck Obama really is after, AGAIN, AFTER there is " a falling away." People will not know about THE FINAL ANTI-CHRIST until they have been deceived. Then, Jesus will come. So, it will be too late for those who denied that Obama was the anti-christ. There are many web-sites that explain this in detail but i did not wanan cut and past stuff that otgers wrote...I AM NOT RIGHT BUT GOD has given me the wisdom to discern...at least now. There is No telling what tomorrow brings. The only way for me to stay in a state of grace is to open myself to God's will to Perfect me. I am getting closer but I am still not as close as I need to be. I am open to being tested so that my faith grows, so I am not sitting here talking out of my ass. I am being made Perfect because I know i am too weak to help myself.

I AM NOT RIGHT

Can't argue with that.

Accordimg to the above verse, the following will happen in sequential order.

. . . .

2. The son of perdition-Obama-will be revealed.

I have read and re-read the verse you quoted, and I have a question. It doesn't mention Obama. So how is it that you can claim to be so sure? Isn't it possible that you have been deceived? Isn't it possible that someone else is the antichrist?

So how is it that you can claim to be so sure?

Weren't you paying attention to the numerology above, nan?

The random people on the internet have no obligation to be understanding or supportive of you as an individual human being in need of sympathy.

If nightmares of apocalypse and mass anihilation disturb your peace, seek out a new, more productive avenue of questioning.

The people in this forum are not going to help you to solve your problems, or help you feel better.

What is this forum? I don't know, but I know what it's not. This is not a religious forum. This is not a self-help forum. This is not a place where a person can bare her soul. This is not a place where a bare-souled person can expect understanding and hope.

The bare-souled have other places to talk, places where more sympathetic listeners are waiting for them. Local clergy are wonderful listeners and guides. Most communities also have inexpensive mental health workers: their goal would be to help you to make your peace, if not happily then effectively, in this world.

I suggest this out of love and faith. I hope for your contentment. I pray for your happiness and salvation.

Indeed, we're just going to mock you.

hey whoever is the person talking that obama is the antichrist send me an email i would like to chat and get more info on the such

homerotercero@earthlink.net

Does anyone else thing barack obama is the anti-christ? I think he could be.

should i hit the gym tonite? i've got pms. ugh.

i want to change my sex. and i want to be both gay and lesbian. i want a baby, but i want my husband to conceive it. i may decide to abort the kid if i change my mind about it halfway thru. i'm 48 so i'm not really sure. jesus loves me. will any of you guys in here donate your sperm? please? i'll use my friend's vagina? she's always sharing it. i want a surprise baby! will any of this come out of my tax dollars, because i don't want to pay for this. i need my money. will i really be the mother if the baby doesn't come out of me? i better be.

Glad to see someone's following my advice already.

GOOD NEWS,

A couple of months ago I talked to my pasteur well ex pasteur about an apostle at his church who I thought was deceiving the church. Well, I just got an email back from a Christian printing press stating that they could not verify the credentials on the back of his book; subsequent investigation yieled the same. WOW!!!!!!!! And to think that everyone was decieved and i was being called 'evil'...well Amen Amen i am a prophet who dont seek no profit and servin the Lord is my only 'profit'....heheheehehe...my gifts are coming back to me again....Thank You, God...thanks...now i need to get the WORD out about Obama Abomanation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need to be more vocal, more willful...let's do it jesus!!!!!!!!Ahhahahahaaahaahahaa....I feel like kimPossible but not in an inflated grandiose way..with Christ as my side-kick, ANYTHING, I tell YOU GUYS, ANYTHING is possible. Just believe, Amen...

with Christ as my side-kick

So, this makes one who think she's just too good for lame old Heaven, and one who thinks Christ is her "sidekick."

I never said or even menat to say iwas too good for heavan ; on the contrary i have always thought and still do that heavan is too dman good for me, really...............i do!! Bye Bye everyone...

Christ os everyone's sidekick-he is our friend and companion, a great support in our times of need and distress..of course he Kicks by our side..we are his bride and he is our groom...like marriage...but we cna never be His equal but with his grace...does it make YOU feel better if i said i am HIS side-kick, cuz i think both are interchangeable...Christ w/out His church cant be he bridegroom because HE needs us to consumate and we need Him...where sou get all these funny ideas about me being too good for heavan mista Scadlock...???

but Christ is our side-kick in this world..How else do we overcome our struggles..side kick was not meant to diminish Christ's importance but to help you realize how much we need the Bridegroom...I apologise if it seemed to you like i am too good or seomthing for heavan....may be I should have used a more apt word like bridegroom..we need each other to consumate this union..

Thanks...

Please do forgive me if i assumed more importance than Christ..that is not truly what i meant..please forgive me..i feel bad now....i just meant that he is our companion in our struggles of this world..he is by our side..i did not know you wud interpret what i said so differantly...I apologise if u thought that...please...see. i ask for forgiveness if i think i may have said soemthing out of character, but I wont apologise-no need to-for things the Holy Spirit reveals....i have humilty but I wont take back what ihave revealed just to placate everyone...

Robin is my sidekick. I though about making Christ my sidekick, but I thought He might upstage me. That and He punches like a girl.

jesus christ died in the cross for your sins!
jesus is the way the truth and the life! who ever dosent believe in him shal not parish but have internal life how can you not be able to understand he died for you! for all of the christians out there jesus is coming soon and the anti christ is barack obama in my opinion

Dear no name and Stacey,

I think you are correct that Obama IS the antichrist. But you are both possessed by many demons and you need to have them exorcised. Find an exorcist...and, no name especially, get a spellchecker! Please don't spew curses at me, I am just stating the truth in love. You are sweet girls deep down, trying to help babies, kids, and lost folks, but you need to sanitize your mouths and computer keyboards after you get those demons cast out.

BTW, apostropher, that SLATE article proves further that Obama IS the antichrist.

Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!

Obamaistheantichrist , don't thrown stones at people's glass house's if urs is made of glass as well. We are ALL made of glass and susceptible to being possessed, you included. Filthy mouth does not indicate possession. Just read the Book of Pslams and tell me if Job does not sound like a virulent idit, BUT he also showed compassion. As much we love we hate-we are passionate people. And again dont THROW stones at peopel if ur a person too. . .And note it is only on judgement day ONLY on judgement day that "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! " Notice SHALL which means FUTURE tense in reference TO Judgement Day, so read ur Bible carefully and make sure about ur tenses. Were trying to imply that we are sensitive to Obama's anti-chrrist appeal because we are demons too. Remember Satan works through his demons. A kingdom that is divided can not stand. Does it make sense if we are demons letting evveryone else know who Obama really is??? The only reason why YOU know is because u got it off these forums. If it were not for people like us who interced u wud hav eneve known it. If u see zeal it is because we hav epassion not demons. READ the OLD testament-MANY MANY srvants of GOD were sooooooooooooooooooooooo passionate and out there. Job even cursed at God. Using swear words is not swearing. Swearingmeans to take an oath or make a promise which as well know we cant keep. Swearing or saying negative words came to be know as bad because PEOPLE found them insulting because people did not WANNA hear the truth. If u read the Bible i narmaic u WILL never find any damn thing in there that says u cant use bad words. Profanity means making the sacred filthy. Profane is when u diminish God's importance and say things that dont decribe who he is...get ur semantics down or go to Bible school, please

Just read the Book of Pslams and tell me if Job does not sound like a virulent idit

Job? In the Book of Psalms?

Oh, wait. You said Book of "Pslams". I haven't read that one. Did you write it yourself?

and, no name especially, get a spellchecker!

I don't think no-name is listening to you, Obamaistheantichrist.

I've tried telling no name that her spelling and grammar are disrespectful to God, but she doesn't care about respecting God, she just wants to talk and talk about how great and "choosen" she is.

I have never been violent to anyone, but I can't say i would not want God to punish those who have stepped all over me. All those people who went to great lengths to discredit me LONG before i became angry. Just because I use BAD words it does not mena I use swear words. Swear words/ cursing/ using the Lord's name in vain= making empty oaths. being angry asking people to shut the fuck is evidence of howe perturbed i am by people's lack of beleif. get ur semantics straight and know that cursing does not equal using bad words. For these u need to attend a Bibel college, get authentic scripture and KNOW ur Armaic AND get the approximate dates hwne certai words began to assume certain connotations....u cant say bad words are swear words because cultural linguistics says so; do ur own thinking and LOOK back at all those books. Thank You ma'am...I dont beleive in vengeance but God does need to rebuke those taunt us lest they get away with their own murder. Dont dig urself in a grave by denying righteousness when peopel speak of it. the more God rebukes you, the better u become...; ) Smiles

Pss.5
[1] Give ear to my words, O LORD, consider my meditation.
[2] Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.
[3] My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up.
[4] For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
[5] The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
[6] Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
[7] But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple.
[8] Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.
[9] For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.
[10] Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.
[11] But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
[12] For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield.

Pss.11
[1] In the LORD put I my trust: How say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain?
[2] For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.
[3] If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
[4] The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
[5] The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
[6] Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
[7] For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

think obama knows he the AC yet?

I just heard how some spanish dude who doesn't live at home with his kid by the way, gave his 3 year old a good crack because the 3 year old said something like 'perdie'. I guess it's a word that means whore. I asked where the kid learned the word and I was told, his father, he's always saying it around his kid. I then asked why the kid got a crack if the father says it? I was told, because 3 year olds aren't suppose to talk like that. ha ha, fucked up people. again child abuse. the father should say to the kid, i shouldn't say that and neither should you. i was wrong to say that word. instead he gives the 3 year old a crack. bravo, that really taught the kid something. you people are so fucking ignorant.

It seems as though we live in a generation gone mad, unrestrained to act out the wickedness of their imaginations. The hearts of a nation are astonished at this flow of madness. It is like a flood of water, gushing through the communities of America.

Who is to blame? The parents, the schools, the youth, or a combination of the three? Young people often come from broken homes and are bitter. Some teens are mocked, ridiculed, and believe their only form of retaliation is violence. The real culprit may be the legal actions taken in the early 1960s, when the Supreme Court removed prayer and Bible reading from public schools.

David Barton has researched the steady decline morally, spiritually and academically that began the year following the removal of spiritual instruction from public schools. Grades and morals are down; bile drugs, illicit sex, and violence are up.

When the Bible and prayer are removed, we have no covenant protection from God. The Bible is a book of the covenant, and many of our leaders have separated the people from their spiritual covenant. We are seeing only the early symptoms of what will become a major crisis in the future, unless we turn back to God.

-Mr. Stone

I like sandwiches.

For these u need to attend a Bibel college, get authentic scripture and KNOW ur Armaic AND get the approximate dates hwne certai words began to assume certain connotations

I assume you mean "Aramaic". Are you claiming that you know how to read Aramaic?

i just ate a tuna sub.

people are saying all this nice stuff about obama in the news. these same people are pro-choice. god i hope they're all brought to their knees soon. they all need a good kick in the ass.

ever notice how saul got away with murdering the christians and david fucked some guy's wife and murdered the husband? maybe it doesn't matter to anyone afterall if the kids get butchered.

let's party.

I must admit that even though I have been raising my voice against Obama, I am gtting bored with this damn thread...Kim Possible has "other" stuff to do...later...stacey WOW you really forward!!!!!!!! WOW....anyway to all a good good night into the relentless night...and yes I have exensive knowledge of armaic, self-taught...ahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahha Just kidding I know some words but I have had to rely on a dictionary whcih is denoted the dates of what exactly whatever exactly is- a word meant...

whoever you are that's bored with this thread, i know what you mean. boring. let's go watch an abortion, i bet that wouldn't be boring. go to tiller the kiier website. it's about george tiller an abortionist in kansas. he's so disgusting. there was a kid with down's and i think her father fucked her. well she was six months along and the parents took her to tiller and he did a good job of killing. he killed the patient and the patient's kid! i think they hid up a crime. that the father fucked her. anyway, they were so sweet, they donated her eyeballs. you can even listen to the 911 tape, how the nurse was trying to cover up who, what, where? it's incredible but it's so mainstream that even i'm starting not to care her baby would have been healty and normal. normal is out these days, abinormal is in. like less is more.

We can no longer blame anyone or another for actions that are happening today. My mom and dad are not getting judged by what I have done. My children are not being judged by what I have done. In the end only I get judged for what Ive done. Im tired of the blame game. Lets just get it out on the table sin is sin. It makes people do things that they should not do.

I do not say that sin is ok, but I dont judge either. Jesus didnt throw the rock and neither do I. We must all look into the glass at the one that makes it happen. Yes we must pull out that mote that is in our own eye. The government, school system, church, supermarket, hospital, and home are not to blame for the worlds problems.

A child from a disfunctional family has the same choices a child from a normal home does. When you get right down to it, its a battle between good and evil, Just like Paul said, When I do good evil is present, we must chose who we are going to serve. We must chose to do the right thing or wrong thing.

We as christians are going to fail at times. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Please do not judge a fellow believer when we are weak. You must see past our imperfections to the redeemer.

You quoted the Book of Psalms up above, no-name, but there's no mention of Job in what you quoted. And no explanation of why you said "Just read the Book of Pslams and tell me if Job does not sound like a virulent idit".

And you're the one always telling other people "read ur Bible"! Physician, heal thyself!

the weirdest thing about this page... is the most popular insults seem to be:

..you can't spell...
.. ..get a spell check...
... and ... hail satin

this postt jest keepes geting isnaene

i don't fucking care about who gets judged in the end, i fucking care about the here and now! STOP BUTCHERING BABIES! INSTEAD, BUTCHER YOURSELF. the earth would be better off without you callous child abusers.

Parents are to blame for most of the evil on this planet. It's because they're too concerned about getting layed rather than laying down their life.

fuck me fuck me.

I can identify more with job's wife. enough is enough.

Come on Man we can all get along, Obama is the antichrist we all like know this. What is with this site, do you people like dig it or something. I think that you need to take the reefer somewhere else if you're not discussing Obama as the Anti Christ. Where is the proof? He has somewhat of a halo going on around him or something. People seem to take him for some type of drug or something. Im afraid that theres going to be some overdoses pretty soon. America help us out by not putting him in. There will be mass suicides and alot of binge drinking among our fellow American brothers and sisters.

obama could very well be the antichrist. he fits the description. he's a little bit of everything, so everyone will vote for the part they like, like, he's black, he's muslim, he's christian, he's pro-choice, yeah, he could be the anti-christ. most of you are just like him, no fucking good.

I just have one question, and one alone...

How stupid are you all going to feel when it turns out that Jesus ISN'T coming back in our lifetime? It's happened before you know, the Great Disappointment and all that.

And to all you people who are really just raving, if you're really Christians, you have a funny way of showing it. But then, I'd rather be a virtuous pagan than a believer who only believes because they fear what happens when one's eyes close for the last time. And so I am a pagan, who behaves in a more Christian manner than many of the so-called Christians I've met. I'm with Gandhi, actually: I've no problem with Christ, it's his Christians I don't care to be associated with.

God will understand. And if He doesn't, He's not God and I don't need to worry.

Oh, and I really don't think Obama's the AntiChrist. He's just some senator the Democrats are hailing because they realize that they can use his minority status to recruit votes. His so-called charisma, lots of politicians start that way, or they'd never get arrested. The great speeches? I guarantee someone's getting paid a lot of money to make him look good. It's all smoke and mirrors. Hell, they sold Clinton to us the same way. Not that that was all that bad...a far sight better than the current moron, in any event.

Peace and Blessed Be.

Oops, I wrote arrested instead of elected.

Freudian slip, I guess. Most politicians certainly deserve to be arrested, beginning with Bush and Friends.

The Rich Man and Lazarus

by Dr. John H. Roller

You probably either saw or participated in a production of Thornton Wilder’s three-act play Our Town when you were in high school. According to Wikipedia, it “is, perhaps, the most frequently-produced play by an American playwright. The play is set in the fictional community of Grover’s Corners, modeled on several New Hampshire towns….Using meta-theatrical devices, the play is set in a 1930s theater. Through the actions of the Stage Manager, the town of Grover’s Corners is created for the audience and scenes from its history between the years of 1901 and 1913 play out…. It is a story of character development that details the interactions between citizens of an everyday town in the early twentieth century through their everyday lives.”

One of the “meta-theatrical devices” used in several scenes of Our Town is the series of “conversations” that take place in the Grover’s Corners cemetery – between the former residents of the town who are now deceased! The dead people are portrayed as remembering events from their own lives, observing events in the lives of the living characters and commenting on their feelings about both kinds of events. The ones who have been there longer, though, seem to be “fading away” – having more and more difficulty remembering their own lives (which were longer ago) and having less and less ability to “relate” to the lives of the living characters (some of whom they don’t even know, because they were born after they had died).

Of course, the “savvy” members of the audience are quite capable of understanding two important facts: 1) The entire play is a work of fiction. 2) The “conversations” that take place in the cemetery are understood to be a “meta-theatrical device” rather than a reflection of Thornton Wilder’s beliefs about what “life” in a cemetery is actually like. Unfortunately (in my opinion), most Bible students are not nearly as “savvy” when it comes to similar stories that happen to be told by Jesus Christ rather than by a twentieth-century American playwright.

The “classic” example is, of course, the tale of The Rich Man and Lazarus, recorded in Luke 16:19-31. In the King James Version, these verses appear as follows:

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Opponents of the view I have been sharing in this series of E-Tracts (the “sleep” of the dead and the final destruction of the unsaved) insist that this passage is to be taken literally and that it teaches a conscious intermediate state and the everlasting conscious torment of the unsaved. I would, therefore, like to discuss three questions:

1. Should the passage be taken literally?
2. Does it teach a conscious intermediate state?
3. Does it teach the everlasting conscious torment of the unsaved?

First, should the passage be taken literally? It seems clear to me that, if taken literally, the passage teaches the following points:

1. When poor people die, angels carry them to a place called “Abraham’s bosom.”
2. When rich people die, they are buried.
3. After rich people are buried, they “wake up” in a place called “hell.”
4. People in hell have bodies with eyes, tongues and other organs.
5. It is possible to see “Abraham’s bosom” from hell, although it is far away.
6. It is possible for people in hell and people in “Abraham’s bosom” to talk to each other.
7. People in hell are tormented by fire.
8. People in hell think that a tiny drop of water would ease their torment.
9. Rich people go to hell because they had a good life on earth.
10. Poor people go to “Abraham’s bosom” because they had a bad life on earth.
11. Hell and “Abraham’s bosom” are separated by a great gulf that prevents travel.
12. People in hell think that people in “Abraham’s bosom” can be sent back to earth.

Few people would affirm the truth of most of these twelve statements, so I think it’s fair to conclude that few people really do believe the passage should be taken literally – even though that is what they claim to believe!

Second, does the passage teach a conscious intermediate state? Well, it would seem to – if taken literally! But we’ve just seen that it can’t be taken that way. In that case, how is it to be taken? I believe it should be taken symbolically. The various characters and statements in the story must REPRESENT something rather than being literal descriptions of what “life” is like in the “world of the dead” that people “go to” when they die. Rather than TEACHING a conscious intermediate state, the story IMAGINES a conscious intermediate state (like the one imagined by Thornton Wilder in Our Town) and describes an IMAGINARY conversation between two “characters” (the rich man and Abraham) who are both dead. This is a “meta-theatrical device” and it’s one that had been used for many centuries before Jesus Christ used it. Such “meta-theatrical devices” are found in Judges 9:8-15; 2 Samuel 12:1-4; 2 Samuel 14:1-24; Isaiah 14:3-23; Daniel 7:2-28; Zechariah 3:1-8. Many similar New Testament passages are also universally considered to be “parables” and, in many cases, they are explicitly called parables in the text. The entire Book of Revelation is written in this kind of symbolism. An incredible amount of false teaching about the future of this world has been based on trying to take its statements “literally” (though, just as with The Rich Man and Lazarus, it’s clear that no one REALLY wants to do that). If you are interested in learning how I believe this parable SHOULD be interpreted, please ask me to send you some further literature on this subject.

Third, does the passage teach the everlasting conscious torment of the unsaved? It most emphatically does not! The Rich Man and Lazarus makes no mention whatsoever of conditions in any world after the Second Coming of Christ. It’s all about the possibility of getting a message to the rich man’s “brothers” in the hope that they will then take steps to avoid going to “hell” when they die. After the Second Coming of Christ, there will be no unsaved “brothers” for anyone to take a message to! It will be too late by then! So, at most, this parable can only refer to “the intermediate state.” If it were to teach anything about “conscious torment” it would be teaching the TEMPORARY conscious torment of the unsaved during the intermediate state. But such torment would be contrary to all principles of justice, both human and divine, for it would involve punishment before judgment.

We must conclude, then, that those who oppose the view I have been sharing in this series of E-Tracts (the “sleep” of the dead and the final destruction of the unsaved) are insisting that this passage be taken in a way it clearly cannot be taken and that it be taken to teach doctrines it clearly does not teach. The fact that they are wrong about this passage should lead you to ask if maybe they are wrong about the entire subject of personal eschatology and if maybe the view I have been sharing is, after all, more consistent with the entire Bible.

For more information, contact:
Dr. John H. Roller
johnroller@faithbiblechristian.com.

Dear no name,

I am so glad that you did not spew curses at me; insults, yes, but hey, every little bit IS progress and I praise the Lord for it. I understand passion, truly, but the fruit of the Holy Spirit affords me love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control(Galatians 5:22, 23) Jesus says that we will be judged by our fruit.(Matt 7:15-28) The Bible also tells us to be clever as serpents, but gentle as doves. You can also find admonitions to have nothing to do with foolish and stupid arguments. We are also told that whatever we do, if we do it without love, it is worthless and we are nothing more than a clanging gong. I am not judging you, dear lady, but reminding you of the precious word of our Lord.

I believe that Obama is the antichrist because the first time I ever saw him, I felt something unsettled in my spirit and ever since then the feeling has grown stronger. Only spiritual eyes can discern these things so shouting them at people who do not have eyes to see or ears to hear will do no good, as you have seen here. Yes, some have listened and agreed, but probably because they have had this "check" in their spirits as well. Jesus told us not to throw our pearls to the pigs(this is a metaphor for speaking into deaf and stubborn ears, trying to convince those who will not, in truth, cannot believe.)

If one truly has a passion for Christ, then one should seek to become more like Him. Only the Holy Spirit can transform our hearts. If we seek Him, He empowers and equips us to do His work. He hates the sin, but loves the sinner and so should we.

Blessings!

Obamaisthenantichrist, YOu are right!!!! i do agree...tans for the Blessing and NO, Chint Ilms, this does not mean your prayers worked...Obama is and will always be the antichrist...........my next step is to reveal myself but requires great courage and I am being a coward right now....

I eant Thanks//now I am outta here, hun...

Thank you obamaistheantichrist. You have made more sense than anyone on this entire site. I agree with what the lord has showed me. I cant wait for the rapture. I quess its getting closer, for those that do not understand what Im getting at. When the AntiChrist comes on the scene, Jesus Christ will come back for his children. He will come from the East, He will blow the trumpet and we will meet him in the air. It says in the bible "there were 2 in the field one taken the other left", that means that people that you love might not be going to Heaven, I urge those of you that feel as I do to witness and tell others about the love of GOD.. Belief in Jesus Christ is the only way to get to heaven. There is no other way to get to the Father but thru the son. I hope that no one feels that Im being judgemental, you see as a nonchristian you feel that it is unfair to view you as being different than me. But still there is only one way to the Father.

obama the muslim, black, american, fake christian, man,(scum guy)is the anti-christ. the same unsettling feeling came over me one day, without having ever discussed it with anyone. you all who feel the same just confirm it.

I can't believe that Satan has fooled all of you into believing that someone besides McCain is the AntiChrist! Woe unto you, for following such false prophecies! I hope you realize the Truth before it's too late and Satan will be laughing at you for being so easily deceived!

Dear Mr. Scatlock,

I think you may have missed an important fact about the antichrist. The world will LOVE him and call him a peacemaker. Surely you see why our current president cannot be a candidate?

Dear friend known as no name,

I am glad that the Word has influenced you and I hope and do pray that you will continue to grow in courage and passion for Christ and also that you will take Romans 12:1,2 to heart. Blessings to you. The truth will be revealed in His time.

"And Barak said to her (Deborah) 'if you do not go with me, I will not go; but if you go with me, I will go" (Judges 4:8)

Which is why I think the Barak-Hillary ticket is the best for the US. Search the scriptures and see! This was a critical period in the history of the people of God. There was a great moral/spiritual crisis and the canannites were terrorising them. Sisera (nay Osama Bin Laden), the general of the Cannanite army, was particularly a deadly fellow. Barak came from obscurity, and together with the maturity and visionary motivation of a woman, was instrumental to a moumental victory over the adversaries and a great spiritual rebirth.

Take note of it. God's word is timeless, for it was also true that certain mainstream tribes, like Ruben and Asher arrogantly refused to yield to the call of Barak, who was considered to be from a 2nd class tribe of Naphthali. Yet with him and Deborah God's people regained their destiny and greatness in the comity of nations. Read Judges 4 and 5! And is the biblical name Barak merely a coincidence?

As for the fellow who said Obama is antichrist, I am not surprised. The pharisees accused the lord Jesus of being inspired by the devil Baalzebub, and elsewhere they said he was a bloody liberal glutton and winebiber (Luke 11:15; Luke 7;33-35), but wisdom is justified by his children!

Thanks, Obamaistheantichrist , you are much more comforting than Chint Ilms or Inch Slim or whatever she calls herself..good bye, now!!!! May God Bless YOU!!! But when to rveal OIRSELVES....when the time is right, I guess??? Our words ARE falling on deaf ears...Amen...Good Bye Hun

it's time for the end to come anyway, how much more evil can the innocent ones stand? it's time to get the show on the road.

bush is a good egg, atleast he puts in a good word for the babies once in awhile, like they're not spare parts.

bush is a good egg, atleast he puts in a good word for the babies once in awhile, like they're not spare parts.

And that overcomes the fact that before he was married he pressured the girlfriend he had gotten pregnant into having an illegal abortion? And that years later he paid for Jenna to have an abortion?

First of all, I want to say that I, too, had the over-whelming feeling that Obama is the anti-christ.

He is THE description of what the Bible tells us about the anti-christ. For the ones on here who are saying that he isn't, have you stopped to think that maybe satan has fooled you? Afterall, that is what will happen. People will love him, and never think that he could be that person.

On the Bush subject, I voted for him, and I'd do it all over again! I'm so tired of hearing people protest the war. After 9/11 occurred, everyone was all for Bush sending troops over- seas, but now it's like you people have forgotten what happened. Granted, it is horrible that men and women are losing their lives every day, but they knew when they signed up that war was a possibility. They were not drafted, it was their own decision. I have been in the Army for 8 years and I, like them, knew of that possibility. By the grace of God I haven't been deployed! But, if I'm sent over there, it's by my own choosing, my signature.

And the abortion issue; that's in a class all by itself. What is America coming to when we can legally kill innocent babies but go to prison for killing an intruder in our own home? Abortion should have never even been thought of. Everyone wants God to bless America but He can't with the innocent bloodshed of his unborn. Simply put, there is no excuse for abortion, not rape, nothing. I probably sound crazy to you but that's ok. I know I'm right.

First of all, I want to say that I, too, had the over-whelming feeling that I, too, am a racist moron hiding behind bowdlerized interpretations of scripture to disguise my petty political maneuvering and vicious insinuations about Obama.

He is THE description of what the Bible tells us about the anti-christ, except if you actually read the Bible and notice that it rules out the possibility of the anti-Christ appearing before Christ and the Martyrs have reigned on Earth for a millennium. For the ones on here who are saying that he isn't, have you stopped to think that maybe I'm twisting the Bible to satisfy my own bigoted fantasies?

On the Bush subject, I voted for him, and I'd do it all over again! I'm so tired of hearing people noticing the disastrous truth about his lawlessness, incompetence and malfeasance. After 9/11 occurred, a lot of people got stupid, and I'm proud to have stayed that way. Granted, it is horrible that men and women are losing their lives every day, but I give less of a shit about those suckers than I do about defending my voting record. They were not drafted, it was their own decision. I have been in the Army for 8 years and I, like them, knew that "support the troops" means "blather incoherently about the troops' mission." By the grace of God I haven't been deployed! But, if I'm sent over there, I hope people give as much of a shit about me as I've given about the thousands of soldiers who've been killed and maimed so far.

And the abortion issue; that's in a class all by itself. What is America coming to when we can legally allow women to control their own pregnancies, and abandon the moronic fiction that that isn't going to happen in any case?

Everyone wants God to bless America but He can't with the innocent bloodshed of Guantanamo, Iraq, the secret prison system and Afghanistan. Simply put, there is no excuse for Republicanism, not stupidity, nothing.

Everyone wants God to bless America

I don't. I want God to bless the world. Your devotion to a particular nation state is a form of idolatry and moves you away from God's commands to love all humankind.

I don't. I want God to bless the world. Your devotion to a particular nation state is a form of idolatry and moves you away from God's commands to love all humankind.

That is a figure of speech, if you will. You don't hear people saying, "God Bless The World". Instead, you hear people and see things that say, "God Bless America." I'm talking about America because of the aforementioned, and also because of the fact that we, unlike most other countries, have the capabilities to say no to abortion, and to many other things. We can vote, can we not??? Don't tell me that I am moving toward idolatry. Where did you get that from? Hmmmm? Idolatry is the religious worship of idols. I don't worship America.

Hey stupid, did I ever say that I am racist???
I am racist against idiots like yourself, I'm just not used to being around that minority. You sound like a real brilliant individual. It is people like you who have made it possible for women to control a pregnancy by means of abortion. The only way that God will accept the control of pregnancy is by keeping our legs closed, not killing the innocent baby.

Anybody ever read the "Left Behind" books? Not that they accurately interpret the bible at all (but really, who does these days?) but still, it's kinda creepy that a man with an arabic name who everybody seems to like for no reason, they're just drawn to his charisma and charming smile, just came out of nowhere and is now not only a senator but also a leading runner for the presidential race....If you've ever read the bible, it does kinda hint all those things....

I, so far have only made my way up to October 20 2006 and am not sure what to think. I didn't think that he was the anti christ. I only thought that he had a dark secrete. Like he is a muslim. I sent this very question to a few news places and I still have not been able to get a clear answer from US new week or cnn.

obama is an arab,stop investigating.

amy904, I LOVE YOU! You said it so perfectly about the murder of babies thru abortion. I've been looking for you. Keep speaking sweetheart. What you say about abortion and the american people is absolute truth! I hope you get doubly blessed real soon.

Anna Graham, is that true what you say about bush and the abortions? I really don't trust any men, someone who is real sincere with chosing life did tell me bush was a fake concerning abortion. If it's true, I'd really like to know. so you're tellilng me he is a no good bastard? the bastard.

Thanks! It's just so sad that everyone jumps up and down about the war, yet we play shut-mouth regarding abortion. That's dumb. It's like everyone has gone crazy around here. I'd love to go head-on with any baby killing, war-disputing liberal!!

I don't want god to bless anything. I want him to take us all down, down, down. What most deserve.

Stacey, listen, you gotta lay off the bottle, it's going to ruin your life.

Dammit, Clownae, Stacey is made of Awesome. Don't discourage her! Meth for everyone!

I would like to see a link to the reference for the alleged abortions that President Bush has been involved in, or the name of the publication and date. We cannot accept information just because a person says it is true. Do you have evidence of this?

Still, if this happened in the past, perhaps George has repented of it and is attempting to make amends by his current efforts to prevent baby murders. I have done wrong in my past and repented. I hope that no one would judge me so harshly.

The antichrist is announcing his candidacy in my city this weekend. He is even visiting my spouse's place of work! It is very interesting. I have received a VIP invitation to attend his gathering. Don't think I will go. Still interesting to think of what he will say. Historic indeed.

Blessings to all!

In good time, all will be revealed and, every knee, one day, will bow to the one this imposter imitates, although he does so unknowingly for now, I believe.

Praise the name of Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords!

We cannot accept information just because a person says it is true.

You mean like the Bible?

obama is an arab

Let's see, no Arab parents, never lived in an Arab country, doesn't speak Arabic. What definition of "Arab" are you employing here, Stacey?

Hussein....apostropher. he's an a rab.

Amy904....you and I think so much alike. I feel the same way about the war. the military personnel choose to enlist, those babies did not chose for adults to chose a death sentence on them. btw....you are going to have to fight just about everyone in the world these days when it comes to abortion. i'm beginning to wonder if abortion is that one sin who the holy spirit can not / will not forgive. could be. If I were God, it sure would be.

'For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins' (Hebrews 10:26).

High priest.
This warning pertains to those who 'trample under foot the Son of God' and regard His blood as unclean (Hebrews 10:29). God the Father has appointed His Son's sacrifice as the sole way of salvation and will not grant salvation to those who seek it by any other means.

Well, the unforgivable sin is blasphemy. Abortion is murder. I understand how you feel though, it is hard to get over the fact that babies are being killed because they are an inconvenience. "I can't afford the baby", "I got raped", "The baby or myself is unhealthy." These are all excuses, and God will not accept any of them. But, you can't tell these liberal idiots anything....they will have to learn the hard way. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes for anything in this world!

If I were God, it sure would be.

Stacey you are so awesome! Not even God is holy enough for you!! But maybe your shining example of righteousness will convince Him to get his shit together and stop forgiving the sins you disapprove of!

Doesn't the Anti Christ have to be of Roman descent?
Obama's dad was a Muslim Kenyan. His mom was a White atheist from Kansas. Both his parents are dead.
Were there Roman descendants in Kenya?

And the Temple Mount needs to be rebuilt before the Anti Christ can stand in it and give his 'Peace and Safety' speech and declare himself God.
Interestingly enough I read today that there is some tension over the Israeli's wanting to do some reinforcement work on a foot path that leads to the West (wailing) wall there.
The Muslim clerics believe its a ploy to cause the Al-Aqsa Mosque to collapse so the Jews can destroy a holy site of theirs.
Whatever the reason this is a real touchy spot for everybody. I await the outcome breathlessly...

This really is the bestest thread ever.

I heart this thread!

God has blessed America.

I know you don't know or care who I am, but I got this premonition that Obama is the antichrist. Then I found this site.

Regardless of what lies some of you may have chosen to believe, God is God and Jesus is the only way to salvation.

bv, I think Stacey has applied for Jesus' job, citing his lax attitude towards sinners as reason for termination. So depending on how things go, there may be some personnel changes soon. Stay tuned!

I first came across the name "Barak" in Erika Chetenham's book on Nostradamus' prophecies in 1993. I was just 21 at the time and thought it one big joke.
Two other prophecies I came across in this book back in '93.. the Gulf War and The fall of the "towers of New York" by "fire from the sky".
Certainly, I didnt believe in prophecies.. but after the Gulf war, I wasnt so sure.
As far back as 1999, my wife and I regularly debated how the "towers of New York" could be destroyed. Could the "fire from the sky" be a nuke?...As I see it now with the power of hindsight..Nostradamus' description was spot on.
Ever since 2001, I have been waiting for Barak to emerge because his emergence heralds the onset of the endgame of the world order as we know it..initially I thought it was Ehud Barak..the Israeli.. but that didnt pan out.
Is Obama Barak the third antichrist as Nostradamus predicts?..Lets see..
Few other Nostradamus predictions of interest..
Global warming, rising sea levels, drought and pestillence (could all those climate scientists be right?)
Russia, Iran and China teaming up to invade Europe (Scary idea.. but who can say it cant happen?)
Check out Crystalinks.com for more on Nostradamus.
Meanwhile, why get so excited?
Whatever has to happen will happen anyway.. Karma.
One may forsee the future, but to change it requires immense awakening on the part of all involved.. certainly a majority of the voting population of the USA! Can an event with such momentum be stopped?
A better idea, if you believe in God that is (and you have no reason not to after the ample proof He demonstrates of his presence)is to better your chance of salvation by good deeds..and this is something common to ALL religions.
So why hate? Accept fate for whatever it is and try and make the world around you a better place...

He he! These forum is still active, I am so appy, the passion, the knowledge, the good people here, it is very much!!!

I comprehnd the fears here, of course for every baby ten go to the devil, but why do you not read on Sarkozy? He is more the unknown, the strong man talking order, he is east european, who is he???? the next president of french republic, I fear. He is very nuclair and will incraese reactors and maybee use missiles!!! Much too fear.

My prayers for all.

clown....i wish i could drink. i don't drink or drug or anything. i get migraines from it all.

yeah, i don't care for winrey either. when's the last time she showed a picture of a murdered child thru abortion on her billion dollar show? she and obama should marry each other.

i believe god will use the kids as his witness ipo of the scummy adults out here today. kids are being raised up. look at jesus camp and the teenagers passing out leaflets at school showing what abortion really is. go baby go!

obamaistheantichirst....i'll judge anyone harshly who willingly kills a child and repeats this act over and over, doesn't want to stop. i have never sinned to that degree sweetheart. if georgie did do the abortion thing (he probably didn't), he should come clean and use it as a testimony. anyone with a truly forgiving heart is what god is waiting for. but damn, if i could intervene and stop the fucking murder instead of just letting it happen, id do it in a heartbeat. i can see why people become homo, it's too bad it has to go against scripture. these people aren't evil, it's the fucking people who kill that are evil. i also understand they must have had one bad childhood to be so angry and evil towards an innocent helpless child. they were abused children themselves but sane folk should not be adding to this brew by voting pro-choice.

but damn, if i could intervene and stop the fucking murder instead of just letting it happen, id do it in a heartbeat.

Why do you think it is that God, who does have the power to intervene and stop the fucking murder instead of just letting it happen, chooses not to and He repeats this act over and over, doesn't want to stop?

Matt, I ask those same fuckin questions. (good observation matt.) God pisses me off alot. I guess because he is all-power, he can put up with these atrocities, but a normal human being would run to their aid and try hard to stop it. I guess it has more to do with him wanting a relationship with us, then us getting our way. even though people murder people, God can bring everyone back to life ,so he doesn't care on the same level as us.

once i was telling god off in my home and i walked right into a wall and banged my head. not a mere coincidence, but non the less i thank him for remembering, he made me and I am no match for him. but i try.

oh holy shit, look at what I just copied from foxnews:

Young, attractive and energetic, is Barack Obama the second coming of JFK?

Soooo... That makes him theeee... Subsequantikennedy?

Just for clarity...I have never knowingly voted for a candidate who is pro-abortion, Stacey, nor would I ever, and yes, I do investigate the choices. I do not care what other issues are involved if someone is willing to kill babies, they will not get my vote or support to be in leadership anywhere! On that topic we agree. I will write in a name before I will vote for a baby-killer. In the world's eyes, I have not sinned anywhere near to that degree either, but the world is not the judge. In Jesus' eyes, all sins are the same. Difficult as it is to comprehend for our human minds, it is true nonetheless, if you believe the Word of God.

James 2:8-13 "8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!"

And don't forget the words of Christ in Matthew 5:

"21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

I simply exhort you, Stacey, to remember the words of the Lord. I appreciate your passion for children and unborn babies, but you would be more effective, I think, if you were to follow the guidelines we are given and remember that God is our vindicator and theirs as well. Blessings!

Obama is the antichrist and an unashamed baby-killer and it is his time to appear it would seem. He will build the Temple in Israel after he makes a peace treaty with the Jews and, then, he will break it and desecrate the Temple of God. I do believe this is true. Today is the beginning of his rise!

no, in jesus's eyes all sins are not the same. it's speaks of this in scripture. he wants all sin to stop, but more so, the willing, knowing sins. + adults voting pro-choice makes me very ill. God says we shall reap what we sow and that his word will never come back void. i take comfort in this.

People can be angry, they just can't act upon it, take vengeance. To love someone is to tell them what they are doing is wrong. we clearly know someone fucking someone else's spouse is wrong, we clearly know taking a child out of the womb and disposing of it is murder. you don't keep quiet. I don't think most people know what it means by don't judge. i don't know why people do these things other than their upbringing and hurting nature. i can't judge why they do it. but i sure as hell can see it's wrong and I have to love my neighbor enough to tell them, stop, look at what you are doing.

be blessed.

Soooo... That makes him theeee... Subsequantikennedy?

it could make him the anti-christ. the news makes it sound as if people are falling for obama. how could anyone fall for a man who is suppose to be a protector of people, yet isn't? people have fallen so low, yet we are warned of this. to be friends with god is to be an enemy with the world. if the people like obama, he can't be good.

cool, that little cross came up in my previous post and i don't know how it got there. i was getting ready to delete it and all of a sudden i said whoa! leave it there. God is on my side.

I just thought of this, if you are against abortion, don't use the phrase, stop aboriton. practice saying, stop the murder of children thru aboriton. this gets the true point across and does not let people off the hook. just plain abortion makes it sound like it's really nothing. speak truth so the holy spirit can pour on conviction. STOP THE MURDER OF CHILDREN THRU ABORTION!

amen

You people have way too much time on yer hands--

THOU SHALT NOT JUDGE !!!!!!

If he is or isn't either way it IS gods will.

By dwelling on the judgement of other humans and thinking they might or might not be the anti-christ is terribly wrong and you are all just falling farther into satans trap to make us all so jealous of each others material things and spirituality(whos saved,whos not,whos the devil whos not)LOL you are being decieved by yourselves, and will ultimatly decieve GOD by wrongly judging others, What if Obama is god?
Well if he was he would probably STILL except all of you becuase of his unconditional love.He allows suffering and poverty through the world more than ever now, BECAUSE it forces us to become closer to him who is the lord of hosts.

WE ARE ALL WEEDS IN THE SAME GARDEN

The key to life after life in the above heaven with the father I believe has everything to do with unconditional love for one another, turn the other cheek remember? Give freely with out a return expected.

Billy, I can sense some conviction getting under your skin. learn. God can take care of himself, alot of times you guys act like he can't. he's big big.

i do believe thru suffering it is how most come to know God. i don't especially like it though. i couldn't bare to watch my child suffer. God wants what we all want, for someone to know and love him. that is what life is all about. i think god was lonely in his own sort of godly way. to be loved for who we are is something out of this earthly realm.

What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?

Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?"

Answer: It seems that whenever one person confronts another person over an issue, the statement "Do not judge!" comes up. Christians are often accused of "judging" in contradiction to what the Bible says whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses which state, "Do not judge." When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, Let me take the speck out of your eye when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for their sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is their Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with their sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20). We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word ; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences - the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

Mortals of earth beware--I come quickly and judge quick, no one knows my hour of conviction and it will come quickly, I can walk right up to you and stare you in the face and you will know me not, just my presence can make the stars fall upon my earth.

You have dreamed dreams of my place so high but you can never remember becuase you have to live a fleshy life of goodness and be judged before you can partake in the fruit of MY labor with me and the kings of earth, keep your eyes to the sky and you will KNOW in your heart when I come that I am the real host of hosts and will lay waste to evil cultivators, yea ye will suffer just a little while more. TAKE HEED and use caution in these last days who ye judge. Lest ye be judged also with out mercy.

Thank you God. Thank you for loving me! Thank you Jesus, thank you again God.

What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?

Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?"

Answer: It seems that whenever one person confronts another person over an issue, the statement "Do not judge!" comes up. Christians are often accused of "judging" in contradiction to what the Bible says whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses which state, "Do not judge." When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, Let me take the speck out of your eye when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for their sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is their Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with their sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20). We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word ; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences - the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

Thank you for loving me and your brothers and sisters of the earth.

I am at the door and all you have to do is knock--

Your quantum physics prove this with multi-dimensions proven in your own mathmatics, (this is some more proof of the first and last-other than my word, for all you scientologists, though I dont have to prove anything to MY creation, I do love you and want you to have faith in me, I will prevail over ALL.

Stop judging and start loving the EARTH,YOURSELF, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR NIEGHBOR, EVERYTHING ETC.

It is my will.

Even a baby crawls before he walks as does my creations on earth namely YOU. Lift yer head high and give praise as you will live to see the final judgement of the earth and its inhabitors, it is mine and made according to MY works for MY pleasure, and I will share that pleasure with the faithful in my kingdom afterwards.

one more little tid bit for the faithful, I will give to you a clue on where to find the fountain of youth, Virgin water, untouched by earth.

It is found in the morn. between May and June, It is abundant and it falls from my place up high, it must be prepared, boiled and distilled for 7 days and than you have the main ingredient for that medicine that can cure ANYTHING including old age, You can also make gold like Solomon and The freemasons still do to this day(stone makers)((the philosophers stone))Solomon had no mine, just the knowledge from ME. Do this faithfuly and true of heart and constantly pray during the process as you will be witnessing the very creation of life, than death, than life again.

Sound familiar ?

If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is their Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with their sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20). We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word ; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences - the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

There are two important keys in this passage, Stacey, that you may have missed. One, we are to confront BELIEVERS who are sinning(and therefore, not those who do not claim to be believers such as atheist abortionists...not to say that we should not confront people such as Barack Obama who claim to be believers and yet work to keep the horrific murder of little babies legal and easily accessible.) Two, we are to confront them lovingly and respectfully, speaking the truth IN LOVE. Profanity and tirades are not an example of loving communication and draw attention away from the truth of the perfect law of God as well as the benevolent mercy of Christ. This was my point about following the guidelines we are given in order to be effective. A change in your language and tone would powerfully demonstrate the transforming grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. Just something to think about. May you be blessed in your journey to please Him more!

Whoever is blasphemously posting as god, I am praying that if you repent now, that He will forgive you.

Obama compares himself to Abraham Lincoln, our most respected and loved president. A bit audacious and, yet, he acknowledges that. His final statement in today's announcement is quite a compelling proof of his REAL agenda. "Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."

Sound like someone who wants to be President of this country or someone WHO WANTS TO RULE THE WORLD???

Judge for yourselves...in my opinion, those last three words SHOULD have been "in this country"!

sweethearts, no one truly knows who a believer is. most pro-choice people call themselves christians. only god knows the heart. i am to open my mouth and speak for god's helpless. STOP ABORTION THRU MURDER!

the problem i see with the bible thumpers is they have too much pride to admit when they are wrong. god hates pride.

you bible thumpers get off on the fact that you think there is a hell where someone will spend eternity in. as much as i hate the fuckin creeps out there, they never asked to be born, so i don't think they should have to spend eternity in hell for anything. let them just return to death, which is probably what hell is all about, ceasing to live for eternity. i think people have misinterpreted lazaurus and the rich man. it's about israel (lazarus the rich man) and the gentile (poor man).

come on now, get a grip.

If you believe in the Antichrist, then you must believe in the bible, because that's where the whole thing is derived from. If Obama is the antichrist, then whether or not you vote for him, he will still come into power/leadership because if the bible is true, then its prophecies will also come true (regardless of what we try and do about them!!!)

Whether he is or not, I don't really care, because right now he is the brighest hope for America's future. If he's not, then good for us. But if he is, then its inevitable that what the bible prophecies will come to pass.

Either way, if you don't vote for him and he isn't the anichrist, then you've missed out on something good. And, if you don't vote for him and he is the antichrist, he'll still come to power anyway!!! Best vote for him. "Better safe than sorry" I choose safe, you can be sorry if you want to... -Joseph Chanaiwa - Köln, Germany

"STACEY" and "GOD" and "OBAMAISTHEANTICHRIST" I think you all should stop arguing about trivial issues. If he's the antichrist then GREAT!!! because there's NOTHING we can do about it, if what the bible says is true then it will all come to pass. And if what the bible says is not true, then what the hell we shouldn't be bothered about this ridiculous argument because the antichrist is based on biblical prophecy mainly from Revelation and Daniel.

To poverty, suffering and death there will never be an end as long as we're on this earth. Whether you vote Obama or not, there will still be abortions taking place daily... And you know what Stacy, there is nothing you or I can do about it. Ironic that in one of your comments you use bad language and in another you thank God that you're saved, sin is sin, yes some greater than others. But swearing is sin soooo... deal with your own, before rushing to deal with that of others.

Stop worrying about other people and worry about yourself. Remove the plank in your own eye...

"All (INCLUDING YOU, ME, &OBAMA)Have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

"come on now, get a grip" is awesome advice coming from Stacey.

Has anyone heard of McCarthyism???? I am pretty sure everyone's reason for believe Obama is the anti-christ is because they can feel it in their bones. You know who else could feel stuff in their bones....my grandmother! She told me that putting mud on my forehead would take away a headache. You people are all idiots!

Tell them Daniel, I agree you guys are talking a heck-load of rubbish. Who gives a damn if Obama is the anti-christ, coz even if he is, there is NOTHING you can do about it.

Stop worrying about the antichrist and start focussing on your own salvation. If your salvation is secure in Jesus then you don't have to care or worry the least about the Antichrist (like you guys are doing). You should rather be out there telling people WHO JESUS IS, NOT WHO THE ANTICHRIST IS.

I love the name Daniel.

using a foul word some how helps me release frustration. let god take care of this one and you be good doobies and speak up for the voices that can't speak for themselves. STOP MURDER OF BABIES THRU ABORTION! Also, if people want to speak about who the anti-christ is, it's no fucking business of yours. you pompous bible thumpers are no earthly good. go masterbate and leave the good people like myself alone. all i do is speak out against killing children and you hippocrites can't handle it. take the fuckin house out of your own eye.

blah blah blah, how we all think what we have to say is so important. if we only knew. i do know it's not nice to kill children. whoever made me, he gave me the passion to tell people abortion is a no no, a big no no. if he wants me to shut up, by god he can do it! but you folks can't.

Jesus is the one who tells people STOP MURDERING MY CHILDREN THRU ABORTION. Whoever does for the least of these does for me. amen

if he wants me to shut up, by god he can do it! but you folks can't.

And with that, Stacey's IP goes in the blocked list.

Thank god for small favors.

Barrack is the antichrist please god help us in the end times pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!!!!!!!!!!

Hey "all":
I'm new to this site; found it the same way a lot of folks seems to, which is by typing antichrist+obama into a search engine. I'm not a fanatical believer one way or the other. It's just one of those things that twirl around in your head sometimes and you can't get it out. (not the voices, that's a different issue) I started reading right from the top, and two hours later my head is ready to explode. Interesting, but some of it is definitely in a train wreck kind of way. Curiously though, I'm noticing a disturbing similarity to the signatures:
M/tch M/lls
Sllim Hctim
Chimt Illms
Milt Schmill
Clim L. Slith
C. S. Milthilm
M.C. ILL HITS
Milli t. Chism
M. L. T. Schillim
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Doctor Slack
...at Scold Rock
Rod Scatlock
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Jay Ackmormon
Jeanne Ackmormon
Jack Mormom
J Morm
Jay Morm
J Momo
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Anna Gramm
Marg Annam
nan magram

I suspect there are more that I missed, but sometime around the postings from mid January my eyes started to cross and I stopped actually reading posts and began looking just at signatures. I'm wondering how many of these *people* are just one guy sitting around talking to himself?
Hopefully I'm not going to be banned for pointing out the obvious, because I'm really looking forward to following this thread through to the 2008 elections, regardless of who is really doing the talking!

Thank you sooooooooo much for finally making Stacey shut-up... all her talking about abortion hasn't stopped a SINGLE ONE, I was getting sick of that. Rather than talking about it on this website, she should be doing something about it out there in the real world!!!

Guys I just wanna say that this website is da bomb, I find that the stuff you guys debate is great. With that in mind, I feel that if we're going to debate biblical issues, like the antichrist etc then we also need to support our arguments with biblical references, I love old bogus coz he didn't hesitate to say it as the bible does. Lets backup our arguments with biblical fact, otherwise our arguments are simply based on assumption.

your so right rasier hes scary he lookes perfect but hes to perfect and he is gona be assasind and then hell come back to life im scared!what about you god better come soon!!!

m/tch m/lls you are sooo dumb what are you his defender?he is like the antichrist with the bedy eys he only been sen. for 100 days!!!!!!!!

Alex Lexington is banned!

m/tch m/lls you are sooo dumb

Gosh, for someone named "i love jesus!!!", you sure are mean.

Does anyone know if OBAMA is a free mason?

Obama is not a free mason. Trust me.

If anybody knows a good mason willing to work for free, please email me.

You know it is strange, but I've wondered about Obama myself, and I'm really not even sure about Christianity. There is just something odd about him. Probably my imagination...

I work at a jail and one of the trustees has been going around for the last month trying to convince everyone that Obama is the antichrist. This guy also goes on ans on about reverse alien techknolegy (sp) and Belgian Triangles so we are all sort of snickering on the side. He also said he got a visit from his son who is 15 and he told him that he felt and saw visions of Satan when Obama was speaking. So, being fair, I thought I would Google and see if anyone else had this in their head. I have to admit the shoe seems to fit. I, like many others just fell in love with him right away and whenever I see him on tv. I can't pull away, I feel mesmerized. Bottom line is...so what the hell do you think you and I can do about it. if its true, its true. we cant change it. I think it will be fascinating to see what developes. Meantime just believe in Christ and you will prevail.

Well whoooppeee soemone is beeliveing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stacey and Miss Obamais thenatichrist, it is NO time to bicker thoguh i have had a sharwe of it myself in the past...we need to go into prayer or moourning you guys...my heart is breaking so god damn bad so bad...all those peopel..all thoswe damn lives....we need to pray...please hold a vigil in her heart for those who won't make it....my heart is incredibly hurt but I know that ultimately it will be up to God himself to break the iron off their damn hearts... we NEEED to start interceding-seet aside some quiet time and grieve to God...and please miss obamaistheantichrist stop calling me possessed becuase I use damn and all this other language-it reflects a passion rather than a negativity towards people...alright???We need to start praying-please let us just cast out all these feelings of "i told you so," what is more important is everyone else's salvation rather than our feeling that we are right and they are wrong...we are still srong and sinful but some people are in such a worse postion than us that it will be harder for them than it is for us to gurad our hearts against Obama, please..I am praying to god you gusy will take head, please!!! For the love of god, now i knwo what, "For the Love of God" is. You guys are in prayers...I am prayign and begging for you....Please

I am begging you guys so damn bad..I am so scared for the peopel..Oh God, what the hel lare we gonna do but pray..

I am praying to god you gusy will take head, please!

If you're offering it, then sure.

I've noticed that no-name immediately regards everyone who takes issue with her as female (hence "miss obamaistheantichrist"). There's something saddening about that.

"...I am so scared people..." - no name

'Perfect love casts out fear', 'I did not give you a spirit of fear but one of power, love and sound mind'

of mr sound mind..whatever u say you dont know you dont know what u are talking about..how can i be of sound mind when people are going to gie..did not christ worry for us when he was on the mount..people seem to forget that Christ cried-rememebr how he begged to take Jersualm as a mom who takes her chicks under her arm?? Christ wept for us bitterly because he cared.....he even told peopel woe IS YOU for u are going to suffer...is it wrong of me that i know what is going to happen to people......are u just trying to pick at little things to discredit me??? It is normal TO MOURN peopel and feel scared for them- IT IS NOT NORMAL THAT PEOPLE DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT EACH OTHER..I care..i mourn them as if they were my loss.....GOD always mourns, God always feels sorry..Do u forget how grieved Christ was for us??? Christ cud not even have peace at Gesthemeene --he was so releucatant and torn..are u telling me that I HAve be a cool dude in order to be from God....??? U must be crazy if u are not empathic and concerned about the world...u r just selfish like everyone esle..cant feel, cant see dont know pain dont know hurt for others...part of being human is trying to hel pone anothe and empathise like Christ did...read ur bible please

no name...

faith and action, spoken about in the book of James... Faith without out action is dead, how about you put some action into all your talking and do something about it.

Rather than making a big fuss on this website about how worried you are about the people, you should be out there dealing with the people making sure as many as possible of them come to know Christ as possible.

how do you KNOW there is NO action???? Do you know what i do everday before i come home???? I witness to people and try to be as gentle as possible...I run a woman's group were poepel are slowly coming to know the Lord and know in Hi ways....where did u EVEr get that idea that i have no works behind my faiths??? Where do you get that???/ Do YOu actually think I sit here all day??? The only way i can access peopel like Chint Ilms is thru here and no where else????

You are very judgemental and HAVE NO basis for what you say.....where in God's name ddi u get that idea??? I can't cry??I cant be sad..Christ was sad and he laos reached out to people andI habeen doing both...in fact, you have no idea how much i have sacrificed myself cuz I care..I cud be going out with as many guys as i please as i am very pretty ut that has not come to my mind as I want people to be healthy and at their best..WOW you must really be Blessed!! You really know the Holy Sppirt?/ And i really sit here all damn day typing??? Do ueven live with me???? WOW
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You have some prejeudiced opinion of who I am..WOw you judged me without any credibilty.....u dont even know me..I cant help it that Godreveals things to me...You know?? Some peopel are just Blessed and i am confounde at Why God has blessed me OF ALL people.....it is peopel like you that god might condmen because u arenot even speaking with the FULL truth you are just blastingpeople around....WITH NO BASIS..at least i have my reasons for admonishing people becuase they wont recogonige the antichrist......we are a communtiy and as such we must reach out to each other...Amen.....

no name...

The reason Christ could mourn was because He had done all in his power to help as many people as he could. The time for crucifixion had come and there was nothing more he could do, he now had a REASON to cry bacause the situation was no longer his to deal with. He had played his part and now it was up to the people.

However, YOUR TIME IS NOT YET UP, so rather than sitting on this blog and crying tears about so many people you should be doing something about it.. I.E. Out there where people don't know about Christ, not here where we've done our research and know more than well how to be prepared for end times...

When you have played your part (like Christ did) and its up to the people to take or leave what you've told them, then you can start crying about them "as if they are your loss"...

At the present moment, they are Nobody's loss BUT they will be if you chosse to sit and do nothing about it.

No name...

One moment we profess Christ, the next we use bad language...

Colossians 3v8 - "But NOW you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, nalice, slander and FILTHY LANGUAGE FROM YOUR LIPS..."

No name...

"...admonishing people because they won't recognise the Antichrist..."

But who is the antichrist... Barack Obama? and Who are we to say who the Antichrist is and is not. 1 Cor 2v13 "...and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

These are things which are to high for us to comprehend "In the same way that the Heavens are above the earth, so are My thoughts higher than your thoughts..." - Isaiah 55v9

So what if Obama is the antichrist... There is something important you need to realise. What the bible says is truth and what the bible prophecies will come to pass. If Obama is the antichrist, what he has come to do will be fulfilled in line with bible prophecy. The funniest thing about it is that there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. If Obama is the antichrist then he will fulfill what he has come to do. Whether you vote for or against him will make no differnce because bible prophecy must be fulfilled. Even if you tell the whole world that he is the antichrist it wont change a thing because all has been prepurposed, preplanned and predestined! WHAT IS MEANT TO HAPPEN WILL HAPPEN.

So stop fussing about who is and who is not the antichrist coz that won't change a thing.

Rather than "...Admonishing people because they won't recognise the antichrist..." you should be
ADMONISHING PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY WON'T RECOGNISE CHRIST!!!

wow really awesome ,,,thanks for attacking me and then calling me names for attacking me..wow what a hypocrite....if we can at least spare them from Obama they might have a chance..once they worship Obama or take his mark they FOR SURE can't get to havan....there are christians who know the Lord yet are attracted to Obama...I am trying to get the word our so peopel dont at elast head Obama's call-at least this way they wil have more time...

then why are you here, you hypoicrite...you like to tell me that I am full of malice yet ytou attack me and tell me I am not fulfinng my works???? That is a sure sign of hypocrcy..i never bothered you, why are u bothing me...and u have never said anything with malice????? HYPOCRITE..diffferance between me and others is that 98 % of the time i like coming clean rather than acting clean..I am only purged by my confessions, do u understand??? WHY ARE YOU HERE???
this forum is for peopel to share their thoguhts and feelings just like u hafve, so why cant I lament with tohers who care.....stop attacking me and START taking a hard look at yourself before u tell me that i talkwith malic and I am allv talk and show..u were even wrong about me not being able to SHOW for my faith...u r a liar and deceiver..you really are and u know that....

wow really awesome ,,,thanks for attacking me and then calling me names for attacking me..wow what a hypocrite....if we can at least spare them from Obama they might have a chance..once they worship Obama or take his mark they FOR SURE can't get to havan....there are christians who know the Lord yet are attracted to Obama...I am trying to get the word our so peopel dont at elast head Obama's call-at least this way they wil have more time...

then why are you here, you hypoicrite...you like to tell me that I am full of malice yet ytou attack me and tell me I am not fulfinng my works???? That is a sure sign of hypocrcy..i never bothered you, why are u bothing me...and u have never said anything with malice????? HYPOCRITE..diffferance between me and others is that 98 % of the time i like coming clean rather than acting clean..I am only purged by my confessions, do u understand??? WHY ARE YOU HERE???
this forum is for peopel to share their thoguhts and feelings just like u hafve, so why cant I lament with tohers who care.....stop attacking me and START taking a hard look at yourself before u tell me that i talkwith malic and I am allv talk and show..u were even wrong about me not being able to SHOW for my faith...u r a liar and deceiver..you really are and u know that....

DONT judge others lest you are ready to take a judgement about urself..u like to finger point but u wont LOOK at yourself..I can and should do both..Just as i admosinsh others i admishh malice..

That is why
JKudge not lest ye be judged..well i dont fear judgement from myself and God, so I am ready to adminsih only because i can take admonishment myself.....WHY ARE U HERE
IF THIS IS NOT A FORUM to share thoguhts and views??/I am Anti-Christian now just cuz i share my thoughts...why ARE YOU spending YOUR damn time here????????????

it is people liek u who make life difficult and u have the nerve to cut and paste everything and make accusations....rather than pray for me like I have been praying for everyone else...OU ARE ALL TALK and NO SHOW watch ur mouth...pleaee

No name...

Went over a few of your past messages and debates with other people. At first I thought Chint Ilms was the one with the problem. But I changed my mind when I read some of your blog entries.

I honestly find it hard to believe that you are leading a woman's group... And as an active church member you should know better than anyone else that there is no excuse for bad language.

If you wouldn't use bad language in church or in heaven then please don't use it here. And if you are going to use bad language, then please don't lay claim to leading a woman's church group, or being inspired/spoken to by God (God doesn't say some of the nasty things you say). In fact some of the nasty words you use are not even used in the bible.

And last but not least I would like to say, Good night. Its past midnight here in Germany, I've been sitting on my laptop the whole day and I'm dead tired. Will speak to you all tomorrow.

I must say you guys are great, I love all the debate we have, too bad stacy's gone, i kinda liked her too. But anyway will carry on tomorrow. Good night.

Wasn't it Gandhi who said something about how it wasn't Christ he had problems with, just the Christians?

This forum, particularly the postings of no-name, Stacey, and Obamaistheantichrist, has totally reminded me why I usually completely and totally agree with that statement.

However, people like Mr. Joseph Chanaiwa remind me exactly why I can't write off the entire group as being completely filled with psychos and fanatics.

Thank you for being a rational, intelligent poster, Mr. Chanaiwa. If more followers of Christ behaved in such an exemplary manner, I can assure you all that more non-Christians would have vastly fewer problems with the Christian groups we so frequently come into contact with.

No Name

lets talk....
I spent the last 2 hours reading your comments.. I am a 44 year old man.. who believes Obama is the antichrist.....for ALL the same reasons you articulatly gave... However.. your presentation is carnal.. your obviously highly intelligent... BUT.. did not jesus say>> " cast not your pearls before swine?? LEST they TURN and TRAMPLE YOU!!! YOU!! your rage expressed at thier trampling of your truth... shows your lack of discernment....Bible says... these things will happen..

No name...

"...Calling me names for attacking you..."
"...you tell me that I am full of malice..."

Col 3v9 "Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self and its practices"
Rom 1v25 "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie."

Now you say i call you names. The only name I have ever called you is 'No name' because you choose not to reveal your real name(I do not know why.)

I definately did not say that you are "full of malice" my blog entries can prove that. In fact if you look closely you will find that YOU are the one saying that you are full of malice. I don't even know you, so how can I say you are full of malice. Your are the one who, in your last blog, called yourself "antichristian" i did not call you that.

I have not named you or used names. Not because I can't but because I choose not to. The world tends to be a better place when people don't call each other degrading names.

In fact it seems more like YOU are the one calling ME names such as "hypocrite" and "you who make life difficult". If you want to call yourself names then you can go ahead and do that, but please don't include me.

Matt 5v22 "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgement. Again anyone who says to his brother 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

obama is definitely the antichrist!

if you can, check out the video of his keynote address.

the hand and arm gestures he uses are incredible, and voluminous. he makes hitler look amateurish. that was my first clue, and the only one i needed. this dude has been prepared at the highest level, on the 13th floor, of the masonic temples, for political theater.

i can't wait for the show!

Eddie G...

"cast not your pearls before swine"

Even if Obama is the antichrist, all our talk and debate about it will not change what the biblical prophecy says will happen. So we shouldn't be wasting our time with talking about who the antichrist is and is not. We need to be talking about who Jesus is. TELLING PEOPLE WHO THE ANTICHRIST IS WILL NOT SAVE THEM FROM THE ANTICHRIST AND ETERNAL DAMNATION. Only telling them who Jesus is and insuring that they accept and recieve Jesus Christ as their personal saviour will save them.

Rom 10v9 "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved"
John 1v12 "To as many as believed, He gave the power to become the children of God."

Nothing else can save you. Even if I know beyond a doubt who the antichrist is, where he lives, what he does, where he was born, which school he went to, it won't make a difference. All that won't bring me an inch closer to being saved because only the Jesus Christ can save.

"Cast not your pearls before the swine"

With that in mind we come to realise that the pearls talk about in this story represent something of value (eternal value). These pearls represent OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE SAVING GRACE OF JESUS CHRIST, which has value because it has the power to transform and eternally save people. the pearls do not represent our knowledge of who the antichrist is because even if we know who he is we cannot do anything about it, simply because biblical prophecy must be fulfilled. Which means our knowledge of who the antichrist is, is of no use because it will not change our current or future situation. And if it is of no use, then it is valueless or of little value. Yet the pearls used as a allegory in the story are of GREAT VALUE. This leads us to the logical conclusion that knowledge of the antichrist is not what the pearls represent.

The pearls represent God's redemptive plan for mankind which we have been entrusted with and through evangelism are suppossed to spread. The trampling represents the opposition and difficulty that many evangelists face.

The passage gives common sense advice to preserve the lives of believers in a hostile world.

Sarah...

Thank you for commenting. Please keep in touch.

Prov 25v11 "A word aptly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver."
Prov 12v25 "An anxious heart wieghs down a man, but a kind word cheers him up."

Thanx again

but seriously,

anyone who knows the TRUTH knows that Jesus is the antichrist!

it is people liek u who make life difficult and u have the nerve to cut and paste everything and make accusations....rather than pray for me like I have been praying for everyone else

Wait, you want people to pray for you? After all those posts cursing me because I have been (and continue) praying for you? You sure are confusing, no name.

I cud be going out with as many guys as i please as i am very pretty ut that has not come to my mind as I want people to be healthy and at their best..i>

I'm glad you've decided to be responsible and not spread your sexually transmitted diseases. Surely God will bless you for your forebearance.

Nigger

"anyone whos knows the TRUTH knows that Christ is the Antichrist..."

Matt 3v22-25,28-29 "...And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, 'He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons'
So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: 'How can Satan drive out Satan?
If a kingdom is divided against itself that kingdom cannot stand.
If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand...
I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them.
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

Nigger - first you say that Obama is definitely the antichrist, then in your next blog you change your mind and say that anyone who knows the so called "truth" knows that Jesus is the antichrist. Who's next?

The passage above clearly shows why Jesus cannot be the antichrist. May I say that if you are unsure or undecided about your beliefs(of who the antichrist is and other things) then please, keep that indecision to yourself.

Phil 2v12 "... continue to work at YOUR salvation with fear and trembling..." work on your salvation, make up your mind. And then come and present your views backed by evidence on this blog.

There are many people who just read this blog but don't participate and discuss. The indecision that you show, may translate to indecision in their lives.

If you are sure of something (e.g that Obama or Jesus is the antichrist) then stick to that which you say and support it.

You said "anyone who knows the 'TRUTH' knows that Jesus is the antichrist"

Why don't you support your argument with reasoning and fact to substantiate your beliefs? Enlighten us to this 'truth' that we(or at least I) know nothing about.

2 Tim 2v15 "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a work man who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth." The one of the greatest truths mankind has been blessed with is the truth of God, written in his word. There is no truth greater than truth of the word of God, never has the word of God failed or told a lie.

In Genesis God said "let there be light", if you or I said it, the light wouldn't have come. But everything that God says is truth he has never lied, if the light had not come it would have meant that what God said was a lier, but he is not and this is why the light had to form. God's Word is the greatest truth and anything ,or any 'truth' as you might say, that tries to deny this is far fom the truth and is a lie.

The fact that you are sitting on this blog and sharing your views is a living testimony of the truth of God. The fact that you wake up every morning, seeing sunshine, breathing the air, with a beating heart and a working body are living testament to the truth of God...

How can you deny the truth of God, yet it permeates the entire universe and surrounds you (its even inside of you)each and every single moment of your existence. Just open your eyes, the fact that you may see is a gift from God(many people don't see) and that gift represents the truth of God.

Believe it because its true and there is no truth greater than the truth of God.

"...you should be out there dealing with the people making sure as many as possible of them come to know Christ as possible." -Joseph Chanaiwa

Maybe because I'm uncertain in my own religious beliefs and always have been, or maybe I misread the intent here, but I'd like to ask for clarification on this line, if at all possible...

It seems to me that, in spreading word of matters pertaining to one's faith, this would be one of those situations of quality over quantity: that speaking in earnest to one person who was willing to listen and discuss such important matters rather than telling only little bits of information to people who don't really care would be the preferable course of action. Yet, here it seems as though you're saying that one should attempt to speak to as many people as possible, even if those people aren't necessarily interested, being content as it were with their current faiths.

Since I'm not really a Christian myself, but rather a believer in a generic higher power, and one who spends quite a lot of time in churches and other religious organizations (looking for understanding of God as best as any mortal can understand the Divine) at that, perhaps I misunderstand the point, but to me this seems to illustrate the 'pearls before swine' parable: that evangelism is most likely to be successful if the listener is at least open to the idea of open theological discussion, as opposed to one whose current mindset causes them to be closed to the idea of such discussion.

As a side note, to any Christians on the board who believe that cornering people on street sidewalks is an ideal way of spreading the Gospels, this feels extremely confrontational to those of us on the receiving end. Even though I'm normally willing to engage in open discussion and thereby attempt to increase my ability to know the Divine, when people corner me, I instantly shut out their message. Perhaps a better method would be to do as one of my friends does, and attempt to set an example, so that other people will be inclined to ask questions about their beliefs and thereby learn more.

So, long, semi-confused post short: wouldn't spreading the word be more successful and met with less opposition by non-believing individuals if done in a more focused, relaxed manner where the non-believer sets the pace of how much information they have to deal with in any one sitting?

I think this would be more likely to produce results, personally, as well as to minimize hostilities towards Christian evangelicals. Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

Normally I wouldn't even bring this up, but your posts have been consistently polite and I have no doubts that your reply to this comment will be equally so.

Sarah...

Really sorry, am very busy right now but will reply with a full explanation in a couple of hours. Promise.

Til then...

this is so crazy! in a way i thought i was the only one that thought he was the antichrist! i have bben having crazy dreams about the end latle and i have been studing it! then i came acrost Obama and i had a feeling that he was cuz he was saying things that he was going to do and it is the same things that the antichrist is going to do! so them i looked him up and i came to this site! i dont know for sure if it is him but i dont trust this guy!

Sarah...

I'm back sorry for taking so long. You are 100% correct quality is much more important than quantity. Too often you find thousands of people are saved at massive crusades held by well known evangelists. But salvation is a process, not an event, implying that salvation is something that needs to be worked on continually.

Too often you find that a week after being saved at a crusade all the inspiration is gone, and the person who at one point in time was inspired and all fired up for God returns to their normal way of everyday life. Its because their salvation wasn't nurtured.

This why in past years I often spent time with colleagues who were going through rough times in their Christian walk, we would discuss and nurture our relationship with God and the importance of continually growing was always brought forward.

Bible speaks of how the angels in heaven celebrate when even just one person is saved. This means that just one life makes a difference and brings about the aspect of quality rather than quantity.

I am definitely against confrontational evangelism as I feel that it turns more people away from Christ than it brings to Christ. Too often we as Christians feel that we are above everyone else, leading to such things as confrontation and condemning people because they are not Christian. But it is every persons sovereign right to choose what they will believe, and as Christians we must respect that.

Christ's gospel is a gospel of redemption not of condemnation. In my view a Christian is not greater than any other person on this earth, simply because we are all people and we are all created by God.

Condemnation by Christians has divided the Church itself leading to many of the various denominations that we have today. Some christians believe they are higher than others because they speak in tongues or because they have special gifts(as mentioned in Corinthians). This sort of mindset has divided and continues to divide Christians.
Some one said
"The only army that 'kills' it own soldiers is the Christian army", this is sad because it is true.

I'm glad you brought up the issue of pearls before swine. Reading my bible yesterday I came across an alternative interpretation saying that, evangelists should cast their "pearls" before an audience that God has prepared to receive the word. ie evangelists shouldn't just evangelise anywhere and everywhere but should evangelise in places and to people they have prayed about and prayed for.

I have a brilliant biblical explanation for you: God's redemptive plan can be considered a seed. And just like in the parable of the sower if evangelists sow this seed on ground that is not fit to receive the seed, it will yield no fruit. The ground represents the people. In the real story there were different types of ground. One of the grounds had thorns which choked the growing seed, this represents people who attack and are hostile toward believers.

But now comes the greatest revelation...

You see, the ground that the thorns were growing on 'belonged to the thorns' so to say. And It was not suitable for sowing seeds. NOW, if the sower sows his seeds on the ground that is not suitable for growing seeds, and then the seeds yield no fruit... WHO IS TO BLAME??? The SOWER of course.

And now the explanation. A lot of the hostility that many evangelists face, is a result of their own actions and the way that they treat the people they are evangelising.

Sarah, I hope what I've shared has helped... thanx for reading. if there's anything else I'm here.

Sarah...

One more thing, what age are you? Thats if you don't mind sharing. And what age do you think I am?

I don't mind sharing, it's not like I have much to hide anyway!

I'm eighteen years old, and just started college, so I'm in a more philosophical mood lately than I have been in the past.

As for how old I think you are, I'm honestly not sure. You write like someone who has been well educated, but that could put you at just about any age, especially since I've met some young teenagers who were far more literate than many of the adults I know! However, at the same time, you also don't write as one set in their views, which makes me think you aren't very old, either. So, my guess is somewhere in your late 20's/early 30's? I'm not much good at placing people's ages, so if I'm totally wrong, I assure you no offense was inteded.

Thanks for the explanation. It helped a lot.

I have to admit its funny to find this blog because I was joking with a buddy of mine during the 2004 election about Obama and how I bet he is the Antichrist. This guy is too clean and articulate...of course those compliments are racist in nature so shame on me. Obviously I am versed enough in biblical doctine to know that if people are convinced he is the Antichrist, I am positive he is not. Antichrist will be the great deceiver and after his knucklehead comments, he has no chance to win the Presidency. He is a far left loon with no foriegn policy except for his ties to The Sudan and Middle Eastern Islamists. His middle name is Hussein....I mean how many blacks do you know named Hussein. Thats like a Japanese guy named Gonzales. Obama has to be of some Middle Eastern Descent. And he is too anxiouos to give power back to Iran by pulling troops in the middle east and forget about Israel. Antichrist will come as a friend to Israel.

Sarah and Joe,

Great discussion although I have a few thoughts on the evangelism issue as well as the only army that kills its own is the Christians? Thats just not true. All religions or sects kill their own either literally or spiritually. And althoyugh we are of the faith, we are still sinners. As far as Evangelism is concerned, we are called to share the gospel with all, not just those who we have prayed about and have prayed for. We must be ready at all times to share what we know.

Sorry serious guy,

I thought that most folks on this blog -by the way an individual entry is a post not a blog- were having fun with the FOOLISHNESS of the notion of Obama/antichrist. So, I thought I'd add my two cents of foolishness based on my observation of his keynote speech. (It was scary!!!)

My second post was more serious. But, of course, as you've got yourself confused with Pauline, Roman BULLSHIT, you are completely blind to the truth. Nothing I can say will do anything but draw your knee jerk reaction, and that's actually exactly what I want from your kind.

Yshua, the man, great prophet. Jesus, the myth, who died and was raised to life, the beast/antichrist. Paul, who gave power to that beast, the false prophet. If you had wisdom, you'd know the number of the name.

That was for anyone else who might be interested.

For you, continue on in your Greco/Roman based, fallacy laced "religion". It's nothing but childish, uninformed, noncritical thought that accepts the notion that revelations spoke of contemporary time.

I lose points today for exposing error to my enemy, but it's so fun to know that they're beyond correction, just like George W. Bush!

Stay the course!!!!!

after his knucklehead comments, he has no chance to win the Presidency.

Right, just like the "far left" "loony" Democrats had no chance of winning Congress. You tell 'em, champ.

Sarah...

hey, I'm 18 turning 19 in October this year. Finished high school in Zimbabwe, Africa last year and now I'm in Cologne, Germany applying to study Medicine.

My mother is German(white) and my father zimbabwean(black), which puts me in between (like Obama - ironic). Used to be a very on-fire christian (though I came from a non-christian family), started 3years back used to read the bible for hours on end, and pray unceasingly. but all that changed after a while, I realised that no matter how hard i try i still sin, ended up never feeling good enough for God.

So I lost the fire and zeal I used to have, still read the bible daily but only for like 3 minutes, and praying... well before I go to bed.

Although I'm not the on-fire guy I used to be, I still remember al lot from all the things I learnt during that time. And those are some of the things I share here. I guess I've always enjoyed religious debate and hearing peoples views, and I'm glad I've found this place.

Earlier on in life I was an atheist, but I had a friend he was christian, invited me to his church, I joined and later on had an experience that changed my life.

I never believed God was real, but after that, I was forced to rethink the meaning of life. On that day God became real to me, and I realised if God is real then everything he says, including the bible is real.

And although I'm not the great guy I used to be and am very far from perfect. One fundamental truth remains in my life - that God is real

nigger...

I'm open, willing and longing to learn. Share with us your 'truth' backed by fact and substantiated evidence and I will not hesitate to give it the utmost thought and consideration.

"Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers." a quote from Obama from a speech call to renewal.

I dont know about you but I can trace my family forefathers back to the ancient planters, James town and Mayflower. We came here to get away from being murdered for our beliefs, Gezz it looks like theres no other place for us to go. We have been quiet, not wanting to offend anyone, just letting all the changes take place that our ancestors put into place.

"For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it." another quote from Obama

Boy he sure hates Baptists!!!

You know that the south had their own plans to free the slaves, plus give education to them. It was part of the plan for the CSA. The North didnt give them freedom only separation and they had to fight for that. Dont belief that the North was your friend who knows what our lifestyle would have been like if we would have won. Always remember that the victor writes the history books. If you want the truth go and read about the plans for the Confederate States of America. I believe that it would be a better place for all. Ya know Northerns are coming down into our neck of the woods trying to change our children, trying to get the religion out of them. Trying to get them to stop the southern slang, They are winning....If we dont teach them the truth they grow up believing everything they hear at school. They move down here and expect for us to change for them. There is a song about taking God out of everything, but they will never take him out of my heart, they may take my bible, but they will never take him out of my heart.

And the last quote

"And by the way, we need Christians on Capitol Hill, Jews on Capitol Hill and Muslims on Capitol Hill talking about the estate tax. When you've got an estate tax debate that proposes a trillion dollars being taken out of social programs to go to a handful of folks who don't need and weren't even asking for it, you know that we need an injection of morality in our political debate."
by Obama

Wow just imagine Jews and people whose mission it is to kill Jews and Christians working together! Can this really be true!!!!! I tell you its another invasion except this time its the whole country being invaded by UNBELIEF.....

You know that the south had their own plans to free the slaves, plus give education to them.

Wow, "the South's secret plan to free the slaves" is one I really haven't heard before (most neo-Confederates tend to be "slavery wasn't really so bad, was it?" types). Sounds a little odd in light of all those impassioned defenses of the "peculiar institution" that underlay the whole secessionist movement to begin with, but whatever. Do tell us more!

GK...

When the author of the statement said "'kill' its own soldiers" he/she meant that Christians fight against and divide themselves.

The evidence for this... The numerous and ever increasing number of church denominations symbolising the division of the church. Sometimes I admire other religions because they seem to have a lot less issues than us christians.

I've never heard of 20 different Hindu, or Muslim denominations. they seem to be quite unified in their religion.

We too often tend to make big issue of small things... here some examples

e.g. Roman Catholics pray through Mother Mary. Yet Jesus said that "...I am the way..." implying that He is the only way to God.
e.g. Some Christians don't like the idea of tithing, and therefore don't attend churches which follow the biblical principle of tithing and giving first fruits to God.
e.g. Despite the fact that Psalm 134v2 says "...lift up your hands in the sanctuary..." (implying that lifting of hands during praise/worship is biblical), if you go to some Chritian denominations and do that during praise and worship people even the church leader will look at you funny.

There are so many divisions, I heard someone say "You pentecostals are too energetric & rowdy and have no respect for the presence of God.", yet David was so energetic that when he danced in the Lord's presence his undergarments would show.

All this division makes me sad. I wish we could just put our side our differences and unite under
what we all believe - that Jesus Christ is the only son of God and that by the power of God He died and rose again for our Salvation.

And lastly you are right about us sharing the gospel with all, it is a christian responibility to share the gospel with as many people as we can. I just don't agree with the method that some evangelists use to achieve this.

I'm dead tired, its 4am here, so I'll be back later on. Good night to everybody.

Miss No Name is correct, I am female, but a Mrs. actually. I have not said that you are possessed again, dear, although I still believe you should calm down and clean up your language. I wish you all the best and hope you will be blessed with wisdom from the Lord.

It is true that we can do nothing to change the fact that Obama is the antichrist. The Bible does not say anywhere that believers cannot know who the antichrist is. It does say that he is the great deceiver and will try to deceive the elect IF THAT IS POSSIBLE.

(Matthew 24) "22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

Note how it says if someone says "Look, here is the CHRIST!", not the antichrist. Also, Jesus says, "See, I have told you ahead of time." He does not say, "Don't watch for the antichrist's appearance".

More from Matthew 24:

"10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,

This truly describes the church today!

13"but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. "

42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

As far as casting pearls to the swine; there may be swine here but there are also those who truly seek the Lord. I agree that we must focus mainly on bringing others to Christ. Prophecy being revealed as truth is one way to convince people who doubt.

Joseph and Sarah, some of what you say makes a lot of sense. I hope you will consider the words of Jesus in light of your futures. Many today are preaching against the Bible and leading people astray. What you think of me is not important so long as I am doing all I can do to bring honor to Christ. It is what you think of HIM that matters.

As I have said before, I do not believe that Mr. Obama is overtly satanic at this time. I think he is very well-intentioned toward America right now. Obviously, certain aspects of his moral values are very much in opposition to his declared belief in Christ. Other than the important fact that he has Muslim roots, I think his race is completely irrelevant to whether he will be the President or whether he is the antichrist.

Be careful and seek the wisdom of God, everyone. We live in dangerous and interesting times.

Did you know that the government still has slavery? Thats right, its in the form of Welfare and Medicaid. Slavery in America will continue until we stand up as hard working Americans and say GO TO WORK, why do you get to stay home and watch Jerry Springer and get a monthly check while Im out here supporting you. You need to stop having the kids, faking your sickness and become a part of working America... Who says that you should retire at 20 and be a bumm. Im tired of people using children for a paycheck. The children are often abused and left to fend for themselves growing up to once again take the welfare road. I say stand up and fight for your right to work. Be honest with yourselves Welfare recepients, do you know what you are doing to us and to yourselves? They dont want the children, they get child care so they can go out and lay in the sun and have a party with the next door neighbor. I see them in the grocery store. They eat better than we do. I am supposed to feel sorry for them because they didnt get all the way thru school, I dont. The democrat party throws them a bone and promises them more of my money to do the above. Come on America this is getting to be a serious problem. I see it everyday.

I have an interesting story to tell you that is a true story. I was told that the government was giving away computers from a truck in town. I was told that all I had to do was go there and they would have old government computers. Me and several other people went to the place that had the computers, They didnt have them but at one place but it was said that all the community centers were getting them. When we showed up to get our "free government computer" we were told that their were no computers and they didnt know what we were talking about. To make a long story short, there were many computers taken and sold for a profit and put in some pockets and were not given to all community centers but 1 in particular. This to me is not what I call fair to all, I almost see a reverse discrimination happening.

And another thing what is it with the kids today and their hippy-hopp music? Cause it sure aint music the way I know music to be, good stuff like The Steve Millar Band and Sticks and Rush (not Limbaugh but he is good too but I dont think he plays an instrument).

I dont know if Barak is the Aunty Christ but he prolly is. He is sposed to be a black but he doesnt look like a Black.And look at this ;

BARAK = BORAT

Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) used to work for BORAX (20 (TWENTY) Mule Team) sope powder.

His middle name is Hussein....I mean how many blacks do you know named Hussein. Thats like a Japanese guy named Gonzales.

!DING! We have a new winner! That, without doubt, is the dumbest thing anyone has ever written on this site. Thanks!

Interestingly, each commenter on this thread has exactly as many votes as a Nobel Laureate.

I'm glad to see the humor return to this blog. It was getting bogged down by the seriousness of the confused. That remark about the Confederate States of America planning to free and educate the enslaved almost floored me.

PLEASE, READ THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CSA,WHICH EXPLICITLY STATES PARAGRAPH 9, SECTION 4.

NO BILL OF ATTAINDER OR EX POST FACTO LAW, OR LAW DENYING OR IMPAIRING THE RIGHT OF PROPERTY IN NEGRO SLAVES SHALL BE PASSED.

So, which slaves was the south going to free and educate, the ones of European ancestry?

As y'all may have discerned by my name, I am a US citizen of African ancestry. I am fully cognizant, and fully committed to dying, if necessary, in an attempt to correct the horribly dysfunctional behaviors and attitudes of my own community. Nevertheless, I must argue that it is white folks that choose to remain loyal to discredited, and inhumane philosophies that are ultimately FUCKING THIS COUNTRY UP!

READ THE HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED ACTUALITIES INSTEAD OF ACCEPTING A BUNCH OF SELF-SERVING MYTHICAL BULLSHIT. IT AIN'T THAT FUCKING HARD PEOPLE!

Things are getting interesting, it would seem...

No-name, by and large Welfare and Medicaid in this country go to those who actually NEED it. Yes, there are scammers, but those are seriously outnumbered by the populations of people who CANNOT work for a variety of reasons, as well as those whose jobs simply DO NOT pay enough, and I find it extremely insulting that you could believe such a thing, being a woman who proclaims herself to be intelligent! (I'd directly quote you, but your typos have made the Find function on my computer useless.) I, also, am a student at a major University, one of the best in the world, and I was under the impression that major universities weren't in the habit of accepting students who believe things without at least some basic questions as to the bias of their information source! To see that you have not done your homework is appalling to me - not so much as a reflection on yourself, although that is part of it, but more as a reflection upon whatever university it is that you are currently attending.

Or maybe it's just that, as an Economics/Sociology major, I pay more attention to such issues than you do. Allow me to explain, with all due respect and affection owed to you as another member of the human race who might just be able to comprehend that she is wrong when enough facts are laid out before her.

We have reached a point in this country where working 40 hours a week (read: full-time) is no longer enough for the vast majority of people. At my high school, for example, the vast majority of younger teachers qualified for food stamps. I should hope that you wouldn't dare accuse these teachers, many of whom put in as many hours as their bodies could handle in order to make our classroom experience as useful to us as possible, of being "bumms". Keep in mind that this school was in a fairly affluent suburb, too, so you can't blame these circumstances on my being an inner-city student at a school which is obscenely underfunded...although, many of the teachers did live in a much-poorer area because they simply couldn't afford to live in my hometown. And all this is coming on the heels of Americans working twice as much as they did during the second World War! (Hell, MEDIEVAL PEASANTS worked fewer hours than we do, and I can't think of a single American who would say that they would rather work as a serf.)

Not only are most full-time jobs no longer paying enough, but many of the protections that our parents' and grandparents' generations had, which would allow them to work a single job for their entire life and actually live off of it have now been removed, all in the name of "flexibility". Businesses have been proclaiming that they they need this flexibility in order to stay competitive, but most of this flexibility is being used to maximize profits by getting out of regulations requiring companies to pay benefits to workers who work a certain number of hours.

Not only are these problems prevalent, but now we add outsourcing of so-called "unskilled" jobs, the jobs typically given to those people who are unqalified for higher-paying, benefit-yielding jobs - and if you believe that running machines is truly a job for someone with no skills, then I suggest you try doing something as technical as that without losing a hand or protesting that "I'm an American!" You won't like it, I assure you.

So, in addition to working more for less pay, being unable to maintain a single job throughout one's life, and generally struggling financially, some people are hit with severe illnesses completely out of the blue. The government is extremely loath, in this country, to pay out money in the form of Welfare, Medicaid, etc., and so the procedures one must go through to even begin to receive assistance weed out most of the 'fakers'. It is extremely difficult to 'fake' debilitating heart conditions, diabetic complications, cancer, etc., mainly because some common medications for these illnesses - which would be prescribed under Medicaid - can, in fact, cause some of them (or other, equally serious conditions) when given to a healthy person. (Don't believe me? My mother was a nurse before she had me, and she's always been hesitant to take me to the doctor, simply because any mis-prescribed medication can make you more susceptible to the malady you're being medicated for by causing your immune system to temporarily become reliant.) Thus, even if someone was initially faking, it is likely that the medications with which they would be prescribed would make them sick enough to actually then be legitimately entitled to Welfare and Medicaid benefits simply because they would then have an illness which would prevent them from being able to work enough to support themselves.

Finally, you mention people having more children in order to receive larger checks. While this was doubtlessly true in the past, during Welfare reform, I'm very sure that the government decided that, excepting those people who were already receiving checks in increased amounts because of large broods of children, they would no longer pay extra for any child above the third. Meaning that having more than three children would not cause any increased Welfare benefits, and would in fact make Welfare less useful to these people because they would need to stretch the same amount of money among more people.

Even ignoring all of the above, you're supposed to be a Christian! Whatever happened to charity? To compassion? To helping the poor? I don't own a copy of the Bible, or else I'd quote back at you the whole bit about the naked man who was/wasn't clothed, the hungry/thirsty man who was/wasn't fed/given water, etc. (Perhaps someone knows what I'm talking about and can quote it for me? Thank you!) and how Jesus use that to make the point that, whatever you do in kindness for another person, you also do for him. I'm sure you know the section of which I speak, but I think that a quote would make this argument of mine stronger.

I think, no-name, that perhaps you should take a Sociology or Economics (or better yet, several of each/either) course at your so-called prestigious university. Either that, or do some more research before you start ripping on people whose circumstances you fortunately have never been in, and hopefully will never experierience.

Sarah, you seem to have written all that like you're expecting actual discussion out of No-name. You're not, I hope.

I have to agree with Sarah on the welfare issue.

I don't understand what it has to do with Obama being the antichrist though. Are you trying to get to the idea of microchipping those on welfare so no one can steal their benefits, Miss No name?
There are many illnesses that cause pain and disability and are not immediately obvious. You are judging again. Have mercy. THE LORD is our vindicator.

Have a lovely day everyone.

No, I'm not expecting discussion - maybe some raving, but that's actually relatively amusing.

I was just hoping to point out how utterly illogical she's being in hopes that she might learn to actually do research - she's going to need it at that "Top 20 in the nation" university of hers.

...I also wrote that because I can't stand hearing people being divisive about such minor issues, when people are dying horribly all around the world and we're pumping billions of dollars into Iraq to kill people - our own soldiers, included. It's more of a reflexive reaction than anything, I have to admit. :-D

I agree with no name, it seems that you have been misguided by your "Education". It seems that you are still having the government tell you what they want you to hear. Your economics are a product of what they want you to hear. I feel sorry for you. You are evidently to young to understand the true world. I hope that one day you will find out the truth regarding the lies that are constantly being protrayed in the media and text books.

Actually there is a bible that you can read Sarah, go to www.blueletterbible.org. Here you will find the KJV. This bible doesnt lie, it states that for a fact everything that is happening in the world is meant to be. Unnatural affection, murder, earthquakes, pestilences, I ask each of you to read Matthew chapter 24. This explains what is going on right now. Sarah don't believe everything that you hear in the classroom. I work in the health profession. I see the abuse everyday. Schools with more bastards than those having actual mom and dad raising them. I see foster care staggering under the pressures of unwanted children because the "monthly checks" have run out. I see school systems overrun with teachers that don't care about the education of students, they are there only for a paycheck.

I see people that need medical attention who have no children can not get Medicaid, but those with children get whatever they want.

And as for all of you that disagree I recognize that this is a place for all opinions. Obama is the beginning of things that have to come. I will not vote for him. But if its GODs will then he will be our President.

My hope is in JESUS CHRIST. He will come again. It is closer than its ever been.

Jesus died two thousand years ago and he's still dead.

Actually, Ms. Davis, I do my research. There are other news sources than the government itself - which I've never trusted to begin with. I have access, through my school, to hard data from a variety of sources. I don't need my professors to tell me their opinions in order to create my own.

I'm sure you do see some abuse of the system, and in fact I never denied that such abuse exists. All I'm saying is that it's also inappropriate to assume that the system should be discarded entirely because of a few people who do abuse it. And while I can see your point about foster care, teachers who don't care, etc., I fail to see how this has any relevance to the specific issue of Welfare that no-name raised. Yes, there are problems. A large part of that is apathy, and greed is another large quotient in the matter. I'm personally inclined to think of those more as failings of our general society, however, which will have to be dealt with in a way that actually addresses the root causes, rather than dismissing the programs we have in place to attempt to help. A little help is better than none, even is the attempt is misguided in treating the symptoms of the problem rather than the problem itself.

And please, before you make judgements of just how well I understand "the true world", take a minute to consider that everyone's "true world" is a highly individual experience. Just because I grew up going to affluent suburban schools doesn't mean that life was easy - it doesn't even mean that I lived in an affluent suburb, because I didn't, but my parents knew that I would have the best chance of succeeding if I went to a better-funded school. I've known enough people on Welfare and Medicaid to know what's what, and additionally I've done research on the numerical facts.

As for reading the Bible, as a student of four entirely different languages besides my native tongue, I realize that translations are imperfect at best, filtered through the perceptions of the translators. The most famous example of this being "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." In the original Hebrew, the word "witch" actually refers to one who kills people by poisoning wells. Hardly the image of a lonely woman in the woods with too many cats and deep knowledge of herbs, and yet, those were the people most horribly afflicted by that statement in the Bible. So, until I can read it in the original languages, which is most definitely something I plan to do, I'll stick with taking the Bible as it should be taken - in other words, metaphorically. God created people to use their minds, to think, and so I plan on doing Him the honor of doing just that. After all, anyone who thinks that people need to be spoon-fed their knowledge wouldn't have taught in parables, as Jesus did.

As for whether or not Obama means the end of the world for us all, I don't see why we're worrying about it. If he's the antichrist, he's the antichrist. We may as well set about trying to make this world as livable as possible until such time time arrives and God forcibly remedies things for us. And if he's not the antichrist, think how much better spent our time will have been if we spend it feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, healing the sick, etc., as Jesus said we should. In the end, his antichristiness doesn't really matter - we've all got to go sometime, and we may as well have spent our time here being decent people to one another.

Oh, and Ms. Davis, please don't feel sorry for me. I don't need anyone to feel sorry for me because I'm working through life on my own terms using the brain I was gifted with. Rather, spend some time working on your own mind. If you work in the "health profession", clearly you have a mind. Try using it, instead of taking everything on the word of authority figures. You never know, you might have an epiphany, and surely nothing could please God better.

Good evening. And if this post sounded a bit touchy, I didn't mean it to be so. However, it's extremely late here, and I am going to bed.

Sarah, No Name and Sue Davis...

I don't think you guys know the meaning of suffering and pain. You sit there in your first world countries and are spoon fed medical aid, welfare and all these other things. Its ungrateful people like you who make my heart bleed.

I come from a third world country, Zimbabwe, struggling under dictatorship the economy has inflation running at 1600%(this type of a figure is only seen in coutries at war). Medicaid, the majority of the population doesn't even know what that is.

The majority of the population can't afford to get sick, in fact even health professionals, like you Sue Davis can't afford medical care. In my country a health professional like Sue Davis earns Z$56000 per month, this is equivalent to approximately US$20 per month. If a doctor is earning that you can only imagine what civil servants and other lower class workers earn. US$20... think about that Sue Davis.

"...Schools with more bastards than those having actual mom and dad raising them..."

At least people can afford to go to school in your country coz in ours the majority can't afford a decent education. As for mom and dad raising them, at least the majority of your school kids have mom and dads, the majority of ours don't and for those who do it never lasts long because AIDS steals everything they have. One in THREE people is infected. And those who are infected cannot access affordable ARVs.

You guys talk about experiencing the true world, I can tell you now you guys are far from the true world, your individual perceptions of the true world that you live in is Heaven compared to the true world that Zimbabweans know.

I come from a middle class family of which there are very few because the few ruling elite in our country stuff themselves with money and big cars while the majority suffer. You Americans worry about where you're going for holiday while us Zimbabweans worry about how we're gonna get the next plate of food on the table (thats if there's even a table).

We have seen the true world of suffering and pain. I have experienced AIDS first hand, everyday I see people around me die, my own cousins and aunts perishing before my eyes. I have so far had 8relatives perish to AIDS. I have seen my father come home bruised and bleeding, tortured for refusing to pledge allegiance to a specific political party and choosing to remain politically neutral.

Miss Sue Davis your hospitals are overstuffed with computers and medical equipment... You talk about the true world, but that is far from it. While you as a health professional feel heart ache at the sight of people with debilitating conditions coming to you. We feel even more heart ache because we have to turn same people away because we have no equipment and medication for treatment.

Your hospitaly worry about having shipments of drugs and equipment in on time, while our hospitals worry about how on earth our patients will be treated because we don't have enought drugs. Why am I even talking about drugs... Surgeries have be postponed because there are no latex gloves available, even syringes have become a rare sight.

Inflation at 1600% means if I want to buy a car(which I cannot just to let you know) that costs Z$30mil, this is a simple MAZDA323, and I save money over a month or two then go back to buy it, in the space of 2 months the vehicle price will have climbed to Z$65mil. People salaries are of no value because they are eroded by inflation.

I hate people like you guys who sit in your plump sofa's in warm homes in font of Pentium computers (majority of Zimbabweans have never used computers) sipping hot coffee, in lighted rooms (we have power shortages government cannot afford to import electicity, electricity is often turned off for up to 10 hours a day), showering and taking hot sauna baths or whatever you call them (our government has no money to buy water purifying chemicals, many go without water for days and have to get water from polluted rivers and dams). Studying at plush universities (our unis have shortage of lecturers and equipment, not that the majority of people can even afford university). Having jobs (80% of our peoplen are unemployed)

I'm sorry if I have offended any of you but I know for a fact that your individual perceptions of the so-called true world are from it. I normally don't get angry like I am now but when I see ungrateful people like you who take almost everything for granted and have not a clue what a sruggle some people go through to get a simple plate of food on the table.

And despite experiencing all this, I still choose to count myself blessed because despite living in this sort of a country for 18 years (ie my whole life) I know that my situation is still better than that of many others in my country.

Come and live with a Zimbabwean for just One day and YOU WILL NEVER TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS YOU HAVE FOR GRANTED EVER AGAIN!!! I' m sorry that I'm angry but this anger is fully justified and I hope that you guys will reconsider the taking for granted the luxury and happy of lives that many of you live.

Wow...Joseph, point well taken. I'm sorry that I came across as horribly as I did. I realize now that I was acting like an extremely selfish brat who's never had a truly difficult day in her life.

I'm sorry for that, as it was not my intent. I know that I've been extremely fortunate because I have had that made extremely clear to me, and because I've become active in groups attempting to help alleviate some of the suffering experienced in other parts of the world, meager though my efforts' effects may in fact be. My intent in arguing with no-name and Ms. Davis was to point out that, here in America, there's no point in taking down a system just because it doesn't work perfectly well. The fact that it's there is a serious privilege, one which I've fortunately never had to use.

I've always thought that our time and money would be far better spent ensuring that people around the world regardless of race, nationality, income, gender, sexual orientation, etc., have all the basic requirements for life, and that includes more than just food and shelter, but also adequate healthcare and human rights, rather than quibbling about politically charged issues like Welfare and other social programs. It's certainly a mark against all of American society that we're driving our nation into ridiculous debt to kill people and then fighting over whether or not we have money to help the sick and starving - God knows if any country has the capability to begin to do something about those problems, ours does, but only if it can get its priorities straight. We're all people together, and we need to work together in order to make this world livable for all.

I'm terribly sorry for the insult my statements inadvertently caused. You're right, of course, and your anger is most definitely completely justified.

I realize that Africa is alot different than America. I am multi racial myself. I have to say that the bible (the only authority I go by) tells me that:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1 Corinthians 1:27

and

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

Sarah, You might think that you are the wisest of the world but you lack the spiritual wisdom that will pull you thru to the next life.

Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day. Deuteronomy 29:4

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 1 Corinthians 10:12

Mr. Africa, you should not let hate fill you. God wants us to embrace those things around us and make the world a better place, but you cant make people change. Welfare would only ruin Africa. There are already things that have made our fellow man rely less on himself and more on Charity. I believe in some ways Charity where it is not needed is trully meant to doom the the person receiving. Look where sex with everyone has taken us. Children taking care of Children. No one cares about them because they only want the land. They dont care about trying to save lives. Its all about greed.

islam rejects jesus of being son of God and that Jesus died on the cross. In fact, Islam considers Jews as pigs and Christians apes, as recited in a number of verses in the Qur'an, specifically Suras 5:60-65, 2:65 and 7:166.

Obama's faith is totally immaterial. It is his lying and concealing his Islamic faith that really matter. We do not reject Keith Ellison for being a first Muslim congressman, since he did not try to conceal his faith, so other congress members exactly know where he stands.

Islam as religion is acceptable, but Islam as ideology is to be rejected, even if it does not directly support terrorists and Islamofascists. This is because Islam not only is a religion but also a law system and a state ideology, both being in direct opposite to our democracy. As such, Islam does not fit into our law system, since - just like Communism - it seeks to destroy our democratic state and replace it by their theocratic state.

Ms. Davis, I never said I was the wisest person, please do not assume that I think that. And as for charity being appropriately placed, I would rather give it freely, and rest assured that the powers at work in this universe will ensure that it goes to those who truly need it. And, should it not, at least I made the attempt.

As for spiritual wisdom, well, my spirit tells me that all people of this earth are my family, and that I should do as well by them as I can, if only in respect of the fact that we are all a family. I'm sorry that more people do not see it that way. But that is not my problem. I, for my part, plan to do all that I can to help my fellow human beings, meager effect that my efforts have.

I am certain that God will understand. The corollary, of course, being that if he doesn't, then he really isn't all that people claim he is and therefore I needn't worry. Not that I am at all unwilling to accord him the respect, love, worship, etc., that he is due, but that is also a different issue.

Hopefully this will make more sense to you and you will drop the patronizing tone. It really isn't becoming of anyone, and it certainly doesn't make people willing to listen. On that note, I wish you all a good evening, and I am going to class.

Statistic from 2005...

Using 1% of the total sum of money USA has used in the War in Iraq...

Malaria could've been completely obliterated in the whole of Southern Africa.

This just shows skewed USA government priorities.

Sue Davis...

"...You should not let hate fill you..."

I'm not filled with hate, I'm filled with disgust at the attitude of many Americans to world problems.

If you even were to live in Zimbabwe for JUST ONE DAY I can promise and most definitely assure you that you would not talk the way you do.

The Anti-Christ will not be the President of USA. The Anti-Christ could be in power already. The person we think is the Anti-Christ will not be and we will not know we have been mislead by Satan until its too late. There is more power then military power. The Anti-Christ could be the pope. Also I those gut feelings are the same gut feelings people of America have been getting for the past 30 years while pointing the finger at each President, claiming their the Anti-Christ.

"Using 1% of the total sum of money USA has used in the War in Iraq...Malaria could've been completely obliterated in the whole of Southern Africa."

That's completely and totally criminal on our part. It almost makes me ashamed to be an American, except that the government, by and large, no longer listens to its people, assuming, of course, that it ever really did. Regardless, that's a very sobering, and truly horrifying statistic because of how easy it could have been for us to divert that 1% to help so many people, instead of killing so many others.

I thought Barack was a sudden man, heard about him one day, everyones talking about him the next. Though, I live in Canada, I follow American politics too.

Anyways, I was thinking about Nostradamus, and the 3rd anti-Christ, Mabus, which could be a code name. Anyways, Mabus, maybe that name is derived from Obama, oBAMa(Mab) U.S.A.(US), then to get Mabus.

Just a thought, probably not true though.

He is NOT the Anti-Christ! He's a very naughty boy!

Joseph Chanaiwa , its Missnomae here, you sound like a really racist pig and you have a very generalized asumption of who we are because you very cynical and not cyncial ina good way, but ina bad way...Dont take ur anger out on Americans in this forum. If u wanan bash us, go bash yourself... somewhere else...Please...I NEVER complained about anything, and i dont make money like that, but I am an unpaid youth pasteur with financial struggles of my own....Because you don't really know what kind of american I am I suggest, you just shut up...we are on this thread beause we are dicsussing obama and not how fucked up america supposedly is...there some americans who live in very impoverished areas of the US and dont have health insurance and etc etc...You my friend have a very racist and stereotypic view of americans..just because u desire the "white man's" lifestyle it does not mean u need to bash it when u dont get it. i can understand if u hate us because we have eprsonally offended you, but u are hating us because u hate america. That is irrational and you need have your head checked, please. And if u are spending all this time writing on the forums and checking your email periodically and being focused on what is on-line than it is ur fault u r not making the money the u God damn want...If u don't like American get out of our country, alright???

have to agree with Sarah on the welfare issue.

I don't understand what it has to do with Obama being the antichrist though. Are you trying to get to the idea of microchipping those on welfare so no one can steal their benefits, Miss No name?
There are many illnesses that cause pain and disability and are not immediately obvious. You are judging again. Have mercy. THE LORD is our vindicator.

Have a lovely day everyone.
Posted by: Obamaistheantichrist at February 14, 2007 07:10 PM

WTF I never talked about welfare here -so it was not me..Please take that into consideration, please....alright?? take care now...and whoever is called himself nigger stop that please...if u want to denigrate yourself at least denigrate certain aspects of yourself that are worth denigrating like little foibles and NOT ur ancestral heritage.I DONT think it is funny that blacks were called or considered niggers at one point in their history...and I dont think ushould find it funny as well ; ) ) ) i have made my point, clear?? Eh?? God Bless You, dear

you sound like a really racist pig . . . Dont take ur anger out on Americans in this forum

Actually, this forum belongs to the blog's proprietor. You have absolutely no place or standing to dictate to Joseph or anyone else what to say here.

Actually, Ms. No-Name, you did bash on Welfare.

"Did you know that the government still has slavery? Thats right, its in the form of Welfare and Medicaid. Slavery in America will continue until we stand up as hard working Americans and say GO TO WORK, why do you get to stay home and watch Jerry Springer and get a monthly check while Im out here supporting you. You need to stop having the kids, faking your sickness and become a part of working America... Who says that you should retire at 20 and be a bumm. Im tired of people using children for a paycheck. The children are often abused and left to fend for themselves growing up to once again take the welfare road. I say stand up and fight for your right to work. Be honest with yourselves Welfare recepients, do you know what you are doing to us and to yourselves? They dont want the children, they get child care so they can go out and lay in the sun and have a party with the next door neighbor. I see them in the grocery store. They eat better than we do. I am supposed to feel sorry for them because they didnt get all the way thru school, I dont. The democrat party throws them a bone and promises them more of my money to do the above. Come on America this is getting to be a serious problem. I see it everyday.

The citation of this can be found on your post:

"Posted by: at February 13, 2007 11:41 PM"

Revisionism never solved anything, so please, if you would like to retract your statements, please indicate that you have merely changed your mind rather than attempt to hide the fact that you did, in fact, make such statements.

And, if this is indeed NOT you, as you claim, perhaps it would be better to begin using a pseudonym or short phrase in place of your non-name so that such mix-ups do not happen again. Should this post have been erroneously attributed to you, I apologize for the confusion, but my statements and points remain the same.

"...If u don't like American get out of our country, alright???"

He's NOT in your country, as has been stated in this forum at least twice. He's in Germany, after relocating there from Zimbabwe. And for the record, almost nobody other than Americans really likes Americans - they mostly put up with us because we're the only superpower on the block. We're all, in truth, quite the bunch of selfish, self-indulgent brats.

AGAIN i CONTEND THAT tHAT POST WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ME............AGAIN..NOT ALL NO-NAMES ARE ME....FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SEE HOW SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY U ACCUSE ME, BUT I MA NOT SELF INDULGENT -I AM SO FUCKING PRETTY BUT I HAVE NOT GOTTEN LAID IN TWO FUCKING YEARS CUZ I AM ABSTINENT..OK, WHATEVER, LEMME GT THE FUCK OUTTA HERE..EVERYTHING HAS FALLEN APAART......THIS WORLD HAS COME TO AN END, FOR JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AMEN...AMEN AND PRAISE BE TO GOD HALLELEJUAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH HALLELEUAJU AMEN, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, PLEASE GOD BLESS U AND FORGIVE YOU AND ME FOREVEFR AND EVER..AMEN

No name...

"...really racist pig..."

My mother is white, my father is black, I grew up in a multicultural Zimbabwe I have never been treated racist and have never treated anyone racist.

If despite that you still choose to call me racist, its your choice. But let me make it clear that the people I am so called "racist" against are ungrateful people who take so much for granted and then still have the nerve to belittle the much graver situations that others are in.

"...Generalised assumption of who we are..." Firts of all it is not generalised, I am highly aware of the fact that there are many extremely poor americans, but let me make it clear that the plight of the poor american is much different than the plight of the poor Zimbabwean. Secondly, it is not an assumption (the world cannot function on assumption, otherwise I may as well assume that you are gay and you may assume the same of me, just trying to illustrate a point), what I write is based on research and experience.

"...unpaid youth pasteur with finacial struggles..."

The way you spell pastor makes me doubt that you are one (or maybe thats the way you spell it in America???) Secondly your bad language has convinced me beyond a doubt that you are not a youth pastor, no christian church would tolerate pastors speaking the way you do. You use such vulgar language and then have the nerve to call yourself a pastor. People like you make Pastors and Christians as a whole look bad.

"...its your fault you're not making the money you God damn want..."
First of all I don't ".God damn want it..." because I know using the Lord's name in vain is no way to get it (Maybe that explains your financial struggles!) Secondly, I do not need to struggle for money because the Lord supplies all my needs according to his riches and glory. "My cup overflows" - Ps 23, I can tell you now that I have more money than a man my age needs.

"...SOME Americans don't have health insurance..."

lucky them, MAJORITY of Zimbabweans don't have health insurance coz they can't afford it,

"...you desire white man's lifestyle...you bash it when you don't get it..."

Just to let you know, right now I'm sitting in a first world country using one of the latest Sony VAIO laptops, using Windows Vista with flatrate unlimited broadband 24hr internet access. And thats just a tiny portion of your so called white man's life style, there's so much more. And why can I live this life... I'm half white as fully enitled to it as you are.

I'm not racist against americans, although I do disagree with american government foreign policy. But hey... If that makes me racist that means that more than half the american nation is racist. If you must know, I admire a lot americans considering that I'll soon be studying medicine, one of my greatest inspirations is Dr. Ben Carson, furthermore I admire and regularly watch programs presented by american pastors, John Hagee, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, T.D.Jakes. I admire and respect americans a lot, and have no justifiable reason to be racist,and hence I am not.

"...If you don't like America get out of our country..." ?????
Who said I am in America, for your information I am in Germany and quite happy here.

I hate people who belittle the enormous difficulties others face yet they face little in comparison. The reason I speak freely and openly about 1st world and 3rd world countries and comparisons in life style is because I have lived on both sides of the fence...

I have been rich and I've been poverty stricken,
I have been with and without God,
I have lived the white man's life and the black man's life,
I have lived through poverty, dictatorship, death due to AIDS all around me, power cuts and electricity shortages,
I have lived through 1600% inflation, 80% unemployment, water shortages, hospital drug shortages
I have lived through malaria(yes, I almost lost my life as a child), domestic violence, political violence, mass riots and protests against dictatorship.
I have seen my mother cry and struggle in uncertainty of how to get the next plate of food on the table.
I have seen my father tortured and bruised for refusing to pledge allegiance to a dictatorship.
I have seen understaffed hospitals with no drugs and even a shortage of latex gloves and syringes.
I have walkedmore than 15km to assist in getting drinking water from a crocodile infested dam because some members of my family living in poverty stricken rural areas have no access to safe drinking water,
I have stood in long fuel queques waiting for fuel formore than 16 hours due to month long fuel shortages,
I have seen hundreds of students turned away and kicked out of creche, school, college for not being able to pay fees

No name, I've been on both sides of the fence, and though right now I may be on the nicer side I will and can never forget my roots. And that is why even when I flush a toilet I am thankful because I've have lived in a place and time where there was not even enough water to simply flush a toilet.

I'm glad that Sarah perception is far different from yours, I'm glad that she has appreciation for the life she lives though it may not be perfect for her she is aware that her circumstance is far better than the one many other people are finding themselves in.

My eyes have been opened and I have seen the deep contrasts in this world, I count myself blessed because I know what I may think is a difficult circumstance is insignificant compared to what others daily face.

I hope your eyes will be opened too...

"...Haven't got laid in 2 years..."

??? Okay lets see...

You are a pastor, a miss(as I've seen from some post on this forum), bible school generally takes 2 to 3 years (thats if you went to bible school), very beautiful(according to you).

What does all this imply??? You fornicated as a pastor(thats if you are one) or while you were in bible school, I find this shameful. So maybe it was a mistake, but then you go on to talk of how you have "not been laid" in 2 years. That is nothing to boast about least for the sake of abstinence.

I am turning 19, I have never had sex in my life. Not because I can't but because I choose not to (just like a choose not to swear and call people names). Not that I've not been tempted, I live in Germany, few Christians (unlike Zimbabwe), lack of morals, girls whose only aim in life is to get laid as many times as possible, but still so far I have held out, how??? By choice.

Ms. No Name, all these things are MATTERS OF CHOICE...
I just hope you make the right ones.

Oh dear. No-Name...

"AGAIN i CONTEND THAT tHAT POST WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ME............AGAIN..NOT ALL NO-NAMES ARE ME...." I realized this, that is the reason for why I made the suggestion that you should perhaps consider using a pseudonym or brief phrase to prevent future confusion.

"FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SEE HOW SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY U ACCUSE ME," Regarding my supposed "self-righteous" accusation of you, well, even you have to admit that assuming a no-name poster is you is a logical conclusion as the vast majority of posts by unnamed posters have been made by you. Victim complexes don't help solve problems, and believe me I would know.

"BUT I MA NOT SELF INDULGENT -I AM SO FUCKING PRETTY" Sorry, no-name, but this entire section screams self-indulgent attitudes - or at least self-centered ones. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, and clearly you behold yourself as being above the standard - whatever that is supposed to be. One of the most beautiful women in my acquaintance is severely medically obese, but she has a heart of gold which, in my eyes, is worth far more than any pretty face or slim figure and I am proud to call her friend, even when this society makes her feel worthless because her exterior doesn't "measure up". It's a shame that this society's obsession with physical, rather than emotional and spiritual, beauty has afflicted you so deeply. As one who claims to be a youth pastor (yes, Joseph, we Americans spell it correctly) you should realize that our spirits/souls are much more important than the flesh shells which hold them in this world and not brag about your physical attractiveness, or even many of your supposed accomplishments (I say supposed because, over the Internet, all of us can pretend to be those whom we are not) because you should realize that those do not vindicate you before God or anyone else.

As for being self-indulgent, well, all of us Americans are. Take away our large and warm homes, fuel-guzzling SUVs and Hummers, fast food chains, state-of-the-art healthcare and education, cell phones, computers, etc., and most, if not all of us, who were accustomed to such things would rise up in mass protest. I know I would, even though I know that it's possible to live without most of these things. We can totally do without our shopping malls, computer technology, and fast food restaurants, but lazy, self-indulgent attitudes endemic throughout society prevent us from doing so. To deny it is to lie to ourselves. Sometimes the truth is ugly, but until we face it, we can do nothing to reconsider our priorities, and put things like family, friendship, community, etc., first and begin to heal some of the rifts in our societies that we have created.

"...BUT I HAVE NOT GOTTEN LAID IN TWO FUCKING YEARS CUZ I AM ABSTINENT" Two years? From someone who claims to not be self-indulgent? Why, you make it seem like that is some horrifically difficult feat! I'm still a virgin, and proud to say so. I have been abstinent my entire life, and it hasn't been a hardship at all. Maybe that just speaks of a fundamental difference in our personality types, but then, all of my closest friends are virgins as well, and while I would never claim to be any great beauty, I can assure you that, by modern standards, at least two of my dearest friends should currently be strutting down the runways in Milan, Paris, or New York, not to mention that we all have very different personality types as well. Sex in this society is just one of the ways in which people indulge themselves - your use of the phrase "getting laid" implies that your prior sexual activity was more recreational than otherwise, as most women I know would have used a different phrase had their sexual experience meant something to them - so by your very own words you have admitted that which you were attempting to deny. I do not mean for this to sound like I am attempting to point out all of your faults, no-name, for I realize that everyone - especially myself - has faults, but you are pointing them out yourself by refusing to see them.

Even though I am still an agnostic, pondering weighty questions of religion and spirituality, I hope that God helps you to use my comments as a starting ground - not to take me at face value, but to maybe take a fair, honest look at yourself to see whether or not I am right and in what ways I am right/wrong - to begin to reevaluate your priorities.

SCENE: American Houshold, 8:32pm. Just getting settled in.

WIFE: Are you pissed about something?
ME: No, I'm just reading Obama is the Antichrist.
WIFE: Are you still reading that?
ME: Hells yeah. It's like a soap opera. You need to read it every day. There are two people falling in love here. It's just getting interesting.

No name...

You have severely embarassed yourself on this website, even I feel embarassed about you. And rather than making amends, you choose to go into silence... shameful

I hate/love the Internet

ok I am the no name that left the message, I am not related to the other no name. Can we get back to the real reason we are all here. Obama has spent over $28,000 and has been to more countrys than any of the other presidental runners. What that tells me is that he is interested in getting the world to buy into his plan. He will bridge a peace but beware believers and jews hes coming for you. It will soon be against the law to own a bible. I have had a dream, let the redeemed be ready and turn back for nothing. It matters not what you say about me, for I am redeemed. I soon will go home, if you are not born again you will not go there.

REGARDING the inflammatory cussing no-name:

Has it occurred to anyone that she is like a bully, or a toddler in the middle of a tantrum? And that as such, the best way to stop her outbursts and cussing are to not give her the attention she so obviously craves? To give her any feedback, even negative feedback or gentle reprimands, is to validate her outbursts and encourage her to continue. Ignoring such outrageous behavior is the only way to stop it.
It doesn't work right way, but in my experience, it does indeed work. This has been an effective treatment against bullies, toddlers, and low level stalkers.

TO the above mentioned no name. I'm sure you'll have something to say. To you I state: "Bring it" and I will demonstrate how to effectively ignore one such as you.

TO the person giving the advice as to how to deal with the cussing no-name, good point. I wasn't looking at it that way, but then I've never had to deal with tantrum-throwing toddlers or bullies in my short existence.

To the OTHER no-name, I have also had dreams. Just the other night I had a dream that my cat was the messenger of the gods. I wouldn't expect you to take my dream seriously, so please do not expect other people to take your dreams seriously. They are just images from our subconscious. As for Obama visiting other nations, he's not campaigning there, it's true, but the US is the world's leader. To be an effective president, he must consider the world's opinion - something the current president has consistently and obstinately refused to do - and, as he does not have a long career in politics (the very reason the Dems are running him, as there is no real voting record for people to oppose him on), the best way for him to gain such information would be to actually visit those locations. There are more logical conclusions as to his behavior than assuming some hellish intent and seeking any proof - including one's dreams - to substantiate such claims.

So far nobody has provided any real evidence besides "feelings", "dreams", and the fact that he's a well-spoken black man who people like. As such, I don't even see evidence that would convince other believers, let alone myself.

Read it, it will make you a believer

www.blueletterbible.org

Sarah.....
I have no problem with a Muslim convert..most I know are more faithful in their Christianity than the Christians I know.
I have no reason to doubt Barak's conversion to Christianity. However, I am concerned.

Barak is perfectly positioned as a man of peace...someone who understands Islam and Christianity. His reelection will be 3 1/2 years later. 3 1/2 years. just before the predicted
2012 return of the Muslim "messiah"

Also in 2012, London, the center of jihad and Islamist authority, will host the 2012 Olympic games. Islamists are building a 70,000 person mosque next door to the 80,000 Olympic stadium

Observations:
the holiest Islamic land is on seven hills
Islam beheads

Saudi has built Departments of Islamic studies in every US University, teaching anti-American, anti-Jew/Christian, pro-Islamist doctrine.

Saudi has built over 1,000 mosques in US cities, serving as jihad and terrorist recruiting and training grounds, with sermons that are violently anti-American/Jew/Christian and pro-Islamist, pro-Muslim global domination, pro-terrorism.

The liberals are falling into their trap. It's crazy...why would liberals support people who want to do away with civil rights, and kill all the gays?

They are using "separation of church and state" to promote a religion that doesn't believe in separation of church and state.

They are using "civil rights" and the ACLU to increase their rights so they can do away with civil rights.

They are using our religious laws to create "religious charities" that fool liberals into sending millions to terrorists on US and Europe soil.

You cannot separate Islam from Sharia law, anymore than you can separate Judaism from the Mosaic law, or Christianity from the Gospel.

Islamists have a well-documented plan. Increase Muslim population, secure favorable laws and civil rights that first protect them from Judeo-Christian rights and from the civil law, infiltrate the civil organizations, get elected, slant legistlation toward sharia law and favoring Muslims, eliminate the constitution.

Look at what happened in Lebanon. Look at what's happening in Turkey. Watch Europe. Wake up America.

check out www.islamism.org (Islamism in the US and how they are accomplishing their goals, legally)
www.jihadwatch.org (worldwide)

READ and SHARE with others:(all avail at amazon.com)
Be wise as serpents, innocent as doves.
Fight against Islamism, love Muslims and draw them to Christ, just as you would any lost person.

Terrorist Hunter (underground in America)
Why I Left Jihad
Londonistan
While Europe Slept
Menace in Europe

tonggon at December 21, 2006 11:58 AM
A quote from a past post to further encourage you to rethink your attachment to this person

isn't there something about the antichrist in revelation or somewhere else in the bible that says something to the extent of he won't be desired by women, or women won't desire him? barack is always noted for his charisma, which usually transfers over to sex appeal by women, case in point - not the antichrist

I'm actually not really attached to him - he has a scant voting record for me to examine, and I refuse to vote for someone whose positions I don't know. That just seems dangerous to me, in a variety of ways.

But, to your point about Muslims and Islam and all that, while it's true that radical Muslims may and do want that, the majority of Muslims are NOT radicals. Assuming that is similar to assuming that all Christians are fundamentalists, all Mormons support polygamy, all Hindus are Indian, all Buddhists are pacifists, and all pagans are Wiccans - such ideas are obviously foolish when we look at the populations at large, rather than the most vocal groups within said populations.

Most radical groups come up with plans at some point or another as to how they can take over the world and whatnot, but very few of those ever come to fruition.

By the way, how is it that everyone's assuming that Obama is Muslim? I've yet to see any documentation of his ever being a practitioner of Islam. Is it just because of his middle name? That seems rather ridiculous to me, personally, as I have a friend from Lebanon, born in a Christian family, whose name is completely Arabic, to the point where I can't even begin to pronounce it correctly. It could be just a cultural connection.

wow, there's some crazy people here. it's funny stuff when people are so superstional, highly amusing. drink your crazy juice you crazy folk. hahahaha.

One of the first steps to successfully dealing with a person or group of people IS understanding their culture and religion. The fact that he understands it seems more a point to commend rather than condemn him, considering current conflicts with the Middle East.

Just because you understand a culture doesn't mean you necessarily share the same views of said culture. I see no reason why this understanding should be cause for such concern. So the man understands the people with whom our nation is coming into conflict; that seems like a good way to help resolve said conflict, and there's nothing supernatural about understanding a culture because one was raised in it, so I see nothing about this to support the claim that he's the antichrist, either.

Well, it would be fundamental to understanding the gravity of the situation that one believe the prophecies of the Bible. The antichrist is the only one who will be able to bring peace to the middle east and resolve the conflict over the temple mount and facilitate the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple. But it will be a false peace and he will receive a fatal head wound and survive.

There are lots of places on the internet that you could study about the antichrist if you would like to. leftbehind.com is one that I feel explains things well.

This is not about condemning Mr. Obama. It is about warning God's people to be aware of the situation and not to be beguiled by his charisma. Blessings!

The preceding comment was #911.

[cue ominous music]

913!

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Terrorist Hunter (underground in America)
Why I Left Jihad
Londonistan
While Europe Slept
Menace in Europe

You know, you might be marginally more convincing if you had actually read any of the books you've just recommended (not to mention the Bible). Then you might actually be in a position to "SHARE with others".

REGARDING the inflammatory cussing no-name: Has it occurred to anyone that she is like a bully, or a toddler in the middle of a tantrum?

Yes, it's occurred to a bunch of people. At least a third of the entertainment of this thread has been the cruel sport of poking raving nutcases with sticks and watching them go off.

The drive-by yahoos with their Amazon "OMG BARAKS A MUSLIM ISLAM IZ TEH EVIL!!!!!1!!!1!!!" lists haven't been nearly as entertaining yet. But I have some hopes for the latest one.

The drive-by yahoos with their Amazon "OMG BARAKS A MUSLIM ISLAM IZ TEH EVIL!!!!!1!!!1!!!" lists haven't been nearly as entertaining yet. But I have some hopes for the latest one.

This clearly represents a pre-comment #911 mentality.

And say apo, is there an easy way to tell which comment is number 666 (or do I have to count)?

There is no easy way currently, but I've sent an email to Becks asking what code I need to add to the comment template to make comment numbers appear.

Hey, look! Comment numbers! This time, Becks is teh hero.

i have to agree it is a little scary...and the movies always cast a white dude for the part. Well, if it were too obvious you know like horns or something it would never work.

Yay Becks!

And it turns out my close personal acquaintance Anna Gramm left the Comment of the Beast!

Joseph, whatever prejuduced hate you have please d keep to yourself. If I aired my dirty laundry it is only because I am open and honest-almost way to honest..You have tried to attack and discredit me in every God damn way that you can...If you were bright enough you would know that saying God damn is NOT blasphemy, for Job himself would curse people repeatdly in the name of God and would also ask God to make peopel repay for what they did to him.Swearing (aka taking an oath) is wrong because you are MAKING a PRMOSIE and we are told as Christians NOT to make any promises because we can't keep them. For some reason the term swaering and promising came to also mean using vulgar language, but this is erroneous for logic would dictate that maing an oath is vulgar but all vulgarity is not equivalent to an oth. Therefore, an OATH is an OATH and IS VULGAR but using bad words may or may not be vulgar.

If i aired my dirty laundry, it is because I beleive in good ol' transparency. What am I going to do, lie about my past to peopel??? Pretend i am a good too- shoes? I never was a goody two shoes, but with the grace of God anything is possible-I am capable of coming back to that Purity. Christ said so...

My point in tellign you those things was to demonstrate how willing I am to sacrifice my time, and energy for the sake of thers. Someone's salvation is much more important than my comfort : :) Jospeph, hun, please, please stop being SO cyncial .You seem to see everything through a tinted lense. Sometimes cynicism is good and realistic because it helps to bracket us from unhealthy things, people, etc, but sometimes it is deterimental beccause it DOES impair our objectivity. I am sorry that your country is suffering. I am sorry...For that reason, I have always wanted to have an orphanage where I could love and take care of those little ones. Unfortunatly, I don't have the damn resources at the point. I understand your frusturation with the American ulture/West, but I am not to blame 100% for it. What am i suppossed to do that our president is a damn tyrant; in fact, he is no better than being the Amrican version of Sammad Hussein. What am Is suppossed to do?? You also have a tendency to either totally romanticize something or totally be against something to a pooint where you cant be fucking objective. Unlike you I can't sit here and say I am perfect-I have never did this or that. In fact, most people like me becuause I am very very genuine. If I starting acting liek you and telling others I never did this or that just to seem righteous than i would be a fake, Godd dman it. BUt I tell peopel the good and bad things about me so that they see me as I am-as a human being. Joseph, hun, WITF is all this, "No name...

You have severely embarassed yourself on this website, even I feel embarassed about you. And rather than making amends, you choose to go into silence... shameful"

Where did you get the idea that I was in silence. I spent the weekend watching after my nephew. Do you thin kAmericans have the lesiure that you do as a single young man??? No....Not all Americans send their kids and elderly to day cares, not ALL Americans make that crazy amount of money you talk about. In fact, with the graduated tax systems much of our money is taken away. Ok, so hwat ?? Big deal, right?? We dotn want our money to fuel the Presidents agenda. We dont wanna be with out healthcare..We dont want these things, but that is how they are and that is why many Christians want Jesus to come reign... Joseph, let me be a more gentle on this : You assume things way to fucking fast, so fast that YOU totally miss the picture...I am NOT glued to this forum 24-7 like most people including yourself are. I can not be your scape goat because you hate Americans and you have seen injustice in your country. Do you know that I am a first genreation American, with both parents having been borne overseas?? I bet you did not know that. You are intelligenet passionate kid, but i think that YOU mush like all of us have taken a very unhealthy -f not lethal dose of skepticism. My family doe snot own a plush sofa and I use a public computer at school.....Your information about "ameicans" comes way to much from the media. Come visit Katrina and Lousina and see what happened to those pig "Americans." who btw happen to black. They are suffering you know as we all are to some extant, but I myself NEVER complained about my life-I just wanted to let you know that I have not taken the oppurtonity to gratify myself while someone overseas was dying...You brought uo the lazarus story to evoke a sense if undeserved indignation, why???? If you know better you would know that "us" rich poeple who sleep gosh darn it satin will ultimalty go to hell fornot sharing our wealth the poor. If anything God will take pity on the poor and reprimand the rich. However, I at this state in myself can do nothing about what is going on that country or mine for that matter. Yo uare soo young if ureally are 19 and SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO idealic ina solipsistic way-you have no idea how hard it is for people to live up to Christ's ideal...why are you so worried about whether or not I am doing good???? That is up to God to decide who or what I ma..Are u construcutivley critiicizing me?/ Well tell me Oh Lord Josephy how must enter your idea of what heavan is?? Tell me???? Are u here just to bash us???? Why?? WHY??? WHy??? There are forums for people like you who have been so hurt from the world. You are complaing cuz we are terrified of Obama. Why are you complaing about us if there are worse things to worry about in life like our straving brethern in Africa?? Why are you all talk and attack??/ If we are all talk we are horrible people cuz supposedly we are selfsih and we dont care about what happens in Afric. If u start complaing, it is Ohhh pity me. Yo uare here because u wanna talk about yourself and u are using this Africa thing as an excuse to attack these so called filthy people known as Ameicans who sit on plush sofas. Tell me Jospeh, habve you gone back to your country or have u made plans to go to that country and start helping people?? Tell me? where were you when those kids suffered??? My feeling is that you have a lot mroe going on in your head that some kind of emapthy and concern for others-you are very much self-absorbed abd it is because u have been hurt. I have been there; so I understand but NOt fully...Our main concern here is to talk about the potnetial for Obama to come as the antichrsit and if you really are a Christian it should concern you because this man-perhaps Obama-will be given the power to deceive people including beleivers. I myslef wud not want someone to go to hell for worshipping him. Do u understand me?? Am i clear??? I am not perfect but i think u have to adjust your blinkers because you have a tendnency to clor a siituation with ur own hurt and agenda...

Joseph, I dont wana be mean but you are extemly fixated on yourself and you demand pity. I am asking you to pity those who will fall prey to Obama. How is it that you manipulate the situation to make it seem like the other person is the bad person and you are the one who is been injured and therefore indignant. This is a really really bad personality disorder. I admit that you need some serious emtinal help, but the way you are trying to get pity from us is wrong. You are trying to destroy me and what I say so that people can have some empthy and pity towards you. You secretly crave understanding pity and love. Why cant u be open about wanting that, rather than attacking us and telling us we are bad poeple??? Yo utry to get attention ina very very subtle way. otherwise why are YOU tellingus all these things and maiing US seem bad, why???? What is wrong with you??? I admit that America is seklf-indulgent but I am still paying my loans and goignt hrough a few calsses here and there. what the fuck is going on here Joseph. Do u wonder why YOU yes you go from site to site to site to site being angry at others and then rationalizing it with your expereicnes in ur country?/ I mena I feel bad for you but is this how u are going to get pity bu=y attacking me and otheres??/ You do have a mental problem as is evidence by the way you make FALSE assumptions and tryr to predict what others are thinking..and as for some of you who claim, to be virgins and never have been tempted that is bullshit...complet nonsense..complete and utter nonsense..please...My intuition has a feeling that you have been sodmized while u were at ur country?/ Is this true??? You know is true..so dont deny it, please, please acknoeledge ur hut so u stop attackign others and getting histrioic in SUBTLE ways for attention...I know u have been sodmized and that is ok.....it is ok but DONT take it our on us...and dont be ashamed stuff like that DOES happen ..u DO sound like a bitter kid who has been molested on more than one occassion-I should know having worked with those kids in the past..

otherwise why are YOU tellingus

Tellingus is illegal in most states.

Shut up apostpher, now back to Obama...yes this man terrfies me..if people so choose to foloow this man they shall suffer gravely, for if they take his mark well tey can't ever go heavan and be with the Lord. You know???

Shut up on my own site? Not a chance, psycho.

It's pretty great that no-name, like Stacey before her, genuinely doesn't seem to understand that she's posting on a site that someone else is running.

I was kidding about sayign shut-up to Mr. Apostrpher, but i would do well to inform you guys to beaware of the anti-christ...please set all of our differances aside and beg to God that people are not deceived...I think things are really going to speed up once Obama comes into power. i would not be surprised if peopel statt worshipinng him in a little less than a years time.

Thank you,

Miss-No name

And Joseph you sound like you really need some help.I am surprised you have still come out alive however broken from all those things. Sarah, I did not write that damn piece on welfare. I did not. There is no damn way i could have as I have very poor at one time so I can not mock those who reeive such benefits from the governemnt. Some people really do need those damn things. I beleive that. Furthermore, i am not here to demostate my intellectual prowess and intelligence. Nothing is more important than lettingpeople know about Obama. i don't have to write these well-crafted email in order to state one gosh darn it simple thing: Obama is the damn antichrist. And there is no suhc thing as a virgin who has no problem being so unless you are sexually dysfunctional to begin with. You remind me of one of those college girls who is always offering blow jobs. you do ..I am sorry to say that and iam sorry i have not been perfect in the past..Sorry guys, cuz u are the people who define my morality..yeah you!!!Come on..I am gonna get the fuck outta here...and again using vulgar language is not like swearing (an oath). i am not making promises i cant fulfll so how is using fuck bad?? Job used vulgar language all the time-look above to see the quotes from prior posts. Please and thank you.

Wow, way to act like a mature adult, no-name. I'm amazed that anyone would trust you with looking after children, seeing how you behave on this forum, but then, our siblings do tend to forgive us for most of our failings, even if they happen to include foul language and an inability to comprehend other points of view and ways of life.

As a matter of fact, it is perfectly possible to have no problems with being a virgin, and the fact that you think otherwise makes me think that you are the one who is sexually dysfunctional. So I'm not a nymphomaniac, who cares? I have other ways of qualifying my self-worth than engaging in sexual activities with people just for the hell of it. Blow jobs included, if not especially so, because I find even the thought of such a practice disgusting to begin with (at least sex has a purpose.) I don't need male attention to feel loved or valuable and I have never engaged in any form of sexual activity in my eighteen and a half years of life, by which I don't feel deprived in the least. I am sexually innocent by choice, and I'm sorry that that is an alien concept to you, no-name, but at least I have yet to resort to personal attacks on other people here.

As for the welfare thing, I acknowledged that it was possible that you were not the poster, but I also pointed out that when people post with no name, it is likely to be you. The confusion was unintentional, but totally logical.

And one more thing, no-name, until you have been or known every single person, you shouldn't make generalizations including the words "every", "none", "everyone", or "nobody" - a college-educated woman like you should know that. Your use of such generalizations only discredits and undermines you - it doesn't do anything to the rest of us. Same with your personal attacks.

Whoa - when did you add comment numbers, Apo? I just noticed the change.

Also, this thread is really starting to spiral out of control. Have you considered shutting it down?

Doh! Just read 917/918.

this thread is really starting to spiral out of control

"Starting"?

The notion of Obama being the Anti-Christ is purely an abstraction of the mind created by six years of brain bashing by the Bush administration. Unfortunately when people are exposed to fear on a day to day basis they develop unnatural levels of paranoia and biblical dillusions. The real dark horse of hate is sitting in a big chair on Pennsylvania Ave...... hello is corruption home???? Scooter???Dick???

No name...

I'm just about fed up with all your nonsense, you just don't seem to get tired of talking rubbish at least think before you speak . But since you insist... Here goes.

"told as chritians not to make promises coz we cant keep them."
There's no problem with making a promise IF you CAN keep it, the problem comes when you begin to swear(there's a difference between promising and swearing) by things that you have no titleship to, and as people we have titleship to nothing because we are simply stewards of all God has given us.

"Using bad words may or may not be vulgar"
This issue is not debateable, and I find you ridiculous. The fact that you use bad language totally contrasts your claim to Christianity. WHY???
Colossians 3v8 "But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and FILTHY LANGUAGE FROM YOUR LIPS"
No name, let me make it clear that I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO STOP YOUR FILTHY TALK its God's Word telling you to stop your filthy talk. I did not write Col 3v8. You are always telling people to go to that blueletterbible website ot something like that. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, if you went and read the bible yourself you would know. I'm not discussing this issue further, because God makes it plain and simple, theres nothing to discuss!

"...but I am not to blame 100% for it..."
I didn't say you are to blame 100%. I didn't even say you are to blame 1%. YOU ARE THE ONE BLAMING YOURSELF. In fact if you must know, I haven't blamed anyone because I'm highly aware that blaming doesn't solve the problem. I've chosen to be higher in thinking than Adam was, Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the Serpent, but all the blaming didn't change the fact that the fruit had been eaten. I haven't blamed you because it doesnt change anything. I have only highlighted and pinpointed people, organisations and governments which have the power to do something but have so far chosen to do little or nothing. I know that we are the makers of our own destiny, and I am highly aware of the fact that Zimbabweans themselves are highly responsible for their predicament, but as the Bible (NOT ME) says "we are to bear each other's burdens"

"...unlike you I can't sit here and say I'm perfect..."
Did I say I'm perfect, I didn't say that. First vulgarity then fornication and now lying.
Rev 21v8 - "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, THE SEXUALLY IMMORAL, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Ofcourse God forgives, but Paul makes it clear that we are NOT to exploit and misuse the grace of God by intentionally sinning as we do when we use vulgar language and knowingly commit sin. It may not have occurred that the place you are trying to stop people from ending up may be place you might end up because of simple things like vulgarity and lying. Yes these may seem small in comparison to fornication and murder, but it highlights and makes clear the fact that sin is sin and hell is not only a place for murderers and idolators, but yes even also for liars.

"...what am I supposed to do that our president is a tyrannt..."
You are supposed to pray for him, the bible say so NOT ME (I would have expected you to know this)
1 Tim 2v2 "I urge, then, first of all, that requests prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone- for kings and ALL THOSE IN AUTHORITY.."

"...in fact most people like me because I'm very very genuine..."
Are you sure thats the reason, I think that most guys would like you because (if what you say is true) you are very beautiful(on the outside at least). And as for the people on this forum I think many like you because you are entertaining, cuss like a rowdy toddler (has already been mentioned), you remind me of one of those entertaining toys where you push the button and it makes a sound and I think thats why a lot of people like you. Genuiness, well I don't know, know one on this site can tell whether the other person is telling the truth about themselves. However somethings point to grossly undeniable syntheticism (ingenuiness), such as you claiming to be a pastor and then using vulgar language, fornicating while in bible school/as pastor and then demonstrating a gross lack of knowledge of the Word of God despite having gone to bible school for at least 2 years before becoming a pastor(as you say you are). Well as I said before, I'm not so sure about the "people like me coz I'm very genuine" part of your post, and don't think anyone else is either.

"...the crazy amount of money you talked about..."
I did not state or talk of any crazy amount of money, the only money I talked about was the ridiculously low salaries Zimbabwean doctors earn and the price of a simple Mazda 323 which was used as a demonstration of how inflation corrodes monetary value. The other amount of money talked about is 1% of the money invested in the Iraq war and I did not claim that anyone earns this amount of money because I don't know how much America invested in the Iraq war, therefore I can't be claiming and quoting figures that I do not know and thats the very reason I didn't quote an exact figure. Furhermore this figure was used to demonstrate skewed government priorities, NOT what americans earn. Please read what I have written before misquoting me and claiming I have said this which I haven't.

You have been misquoting me and putting words in my mouth for a very long time now, claiming that I have said things which I actually never said, I find it disgusting of you. The reason I have to constantly click and paste is because you keep on writing false unresearched information based on nonsense, at least you could base your allegations of what I have said on what I have previously written, but you go on to misquote and make unmerited and horridly unjustified false allegations (like when you claimed I was calling you names) embarassing yourself in front of every single reader of this forum because I didn't have to prove that that was a lie, the forum itself proved that that was lie.

"...I am not glued to this forum like most people including yourself are..."
The fact that I'm using the internet is testimony to the fact that I can't be glued to the forum 24hrs a day because I have to pay for the time I spend on the net ie. I have to work, if you thought before rushing to post to this forum you would have realised this, and you also would have realised that this is true for the majority of the posters in this forum. for the sake of us all... Think before you act please.

"...you would know that 'us' rich people who sleep gosh darn it satin will ultimately go to hell for not sharing our wealth with the poor..."
Here we go again, do rich people go to hell for not sharing their wealth with the poor??? or do they go to hell for not believing in Jesus??? Some rich christians choose to give their money to the church rather than the poor because in this way they are following the biblical principle of tithing. Some of those churches then give to the poor through relief and compassion ministries. Do these christians go to hell because of this???(rhetorical question) Is it giving to the poor that gets one into heaven or is it believing in Jesus??? Is giving to the poor my ticket to heaven??? or is believing in Jesus, (a by-product of which, among many, is giving to the poor,) my ticket to heaven. Think about what you write, don't just write it. The story of the poor man and the rich man is used to demonstate the biblical principle that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter heaven, simply because the love of money(not money itself) is the root of all evil.

"...I can do nothing about whats going on in that country.."
I made it clear before, you can pray. It appears that you are the one who is more "cynical" (as you say I am) if you won't even pray for other people in other countries.

"no idea how hard it is to live up to Christ's ideal... why are you so worried about whether or not I'm doing good."
I have a very great idea of how hard it is to live up to Christ's ideal, I've tried and failed many times. But I realise that life and christianity is not about being perfect like Christ, but rather about trying your best to be Christlike, and that's what I do. I'm not worried about whether or not you are are doing good, I'm worried about the numerous people you are trying to influence. Your bad language and lies will definitely influence people, but not in a positive way that will bring them closer to God. The greatest testimony is ones life and the way ONE LIVES IT(NOT THE WAY ONE TALKS ABOUT IT), living your life in exemplary manner(ie not using filthy language) would bring you far more success for the Kingdom of God than rudely raging about with filthy language like a cussing toddler declaring that Obama is the Antichrist!!!

"..where were you when they suffered... have you made plans to go back to that country and help the people..."
Where was I when they suffered, I was there among them suffering too. Plans to go back... My return ticket is open for one year. Help the people... the reason I'm here is because I'm here to study medicine, I will receive full training (no shortage of lecturers and equipment) and when I'm a doctor I will return there because its my home. The suffering I saw everyday led me to decide on medicine, but medicine doesn't come easy I had to study hard, ended school in 2006 with the best university of Cambridge Advanced level public exam results at my highschool for the last 6 years (straight As in all 4science subjects, most people only do 3 subjects) the motivation, a love for God and a desire to play a part in ending the suffering I saw around me everyday by becoming a doctor and to secure a place in university to study medicine I have to have good results. So please don't ask what part I'm playing coz I've been playing my part for a long time and I'm still doing so. Rather ask yourself what part you're playing, at least you could pray for those people!!!

"...Our main concern here is to discuss Obama's potential as the antichrist..."
As christians we must learn to keep THE MAIN THING THE MAIN THING, and the main thing is God. I've said it before people are not saved because they know who obama is, they are saved because they believe in Jesus. As for people being decieved, matt24v5 "and many will come in my name, claiming 'I am the Christ' and will deceive many" rev 13v14 "...he(the beast out of the earth) deceived the inhabitants..."
POINT - Once again, bible prophecy must be fulfilled. Even if you make a public nonstop worldwide announcement in every single language and in every single way declaring that Obama is the antichrist, THIS WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING, many will still be deceived(may be even by you!) why??? because the biblical prophecy of the word of God which we as Christians believe must come to pass and it will come to pass. All your yapping, raving and cussing like a toddler is not going to change anything it will not stop a single person who is meant to be deceived from being deceived. My suggestion STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. Your raving and declaration of Obama being the antichrist is absolutely valueless and profoundly useless because it won't change a thing (If nothing is changed, nothing was done in other words you are doing nothing) You always ask me what I'm doing here, a better question would be WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE???, because as my above biblically based explanation has shown, at present you are DOING NOTHING that will have any effect!!!

"...Way you're trying to get pity from us is wrong..."
I don't need pity, because I'm not in a pitiful situation. Those people in Africa need your pity and they need it in substance not in words. Better yet why don't you reserve all your pity, empathy and sympathy for yourself, because
judging by your dire lack of biblical and fact based knowledge,
your failure to think before acting,
your cussing like a toddler when you are actually a grown person,
your personal conviction that you are making a difference to a situation that can actual fact not be changed (as has been biblically proven),
I could go on...
YOU are the one in the pitiful situation, much more pitiful than those starving in africa. So please for your own sake, reserve your pity, coz you need it for yourself.

As for love, God's love is more than enough for me. And if I want more love I've got my mom my dad, my family, my friends.... I definitely wouldn't want any love from you!!! Who would??? IT'S NO WONDER YOU HAVEN'T BEEN LAID IN TWO YEARS... Please don't start bragging about abstinence as an innocent excuse for the real reason.

"...Do you wonder why you go from site to site taking out your anger on others..."
For your own information this is the only forum I participate in. WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT ASSUMPTIONS??? AND HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY IT. (Go back a few posts and revise!!) More and more you are proving to be the little cussing toddler people say you are. Toddlers don't learn a thing (even if you tell them 10 times) and thats exactly what you are doing. Pitiful.

Sodomy? "...my intuition has a feeling that you have been sodomised in you country..."
AGAIN what did I say about assumptions. And didn't you learn a thing when Sarah was talking about basing things on feelings??? YOU NEVER SEEM TOP LEARN A THING!!! Just like a toddler. And as for your intuition (or lack of it) I don't need to say a thing because your posts speak for themselves and for you.

"...Having worked with those kids in the past..."
You speak from experience. Typical Michael Jackson scenario, the guilty are always the first to accuse, I think you have a lot more to do with sodomy than I do, worse yet not as a victim but as an offender (since we're blatantly assuming things.)

"...Nothing is more important about letting people know about Obama..."
WRONG!!! What does the bible teach about having God as greatest importance. Putting God first. Forsaking all I follow Thee. Nothing compares to the greatness of the One. On Christ the solid rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand. These are all quotes from gospel songs and the bible. Like I said GOD IS THE MAIN THING, not Obama. Please keep the main thing the main thing. And if you won't do that, then please don't cotradict yourself by claiming you are Christian!!!

You know, you are wasting my time. Because you just don't learn. in chemistry We can compare you to highly unreactive Group8 noble gases such as Xenon and Helium, which maintain their state of unreactivity no matter hard you try to change them. Thats a perfect analogy of you, because you just don't learn, you just won't change, and you just can't accept the possibilty that yo may be wrong. You know what... I give up on you. Please from now on spare me my time and knowledge. Thank you.

u DO sound like a bitter kid who has been molested on more than one occassion-I should know having worked with those kids in the past.

Which corner did you work on, and how much did you charge?

You remind me of one of those college girls who is always offering blow jobs.

Do you have any contact information for these girls? I'd like to, um, discuss whether Obama is the Antichrist with them. Yeah.

Also, this thread is really starting to spiral out of control. Have you considered shutting it down?

Brock Landers is banned!

Blow jobs included, if not especially so, because I find even the thought of such a practice disgusting to begin with (at least sex has a purpose.)

I can think of at least one arguable purpose of blowjobs.

935: M/tch, have we resolved yet whether Obama is or is not, in fact, the Antichrist? Or even made any headway in establishing criteria by which we could make such a determination? Despite over 900 comments, I think the answer is no. That to me indicates that the conversation is fruitless; those who are engaged are just spinning their wheels. I'm becoming concerned that Apostropher is at this point letting the thread continue mostly to make a public mockery of those whose ideas he finds silly. He's handing the microphone to the drunk guy at the wedding reception, just to laugh at the outcome. Which, honestly, isn't very nice. Killing the thread would be an act of mercy.

have we resolved yet whether Obama is or is not, in fact, the Antichrist?

Of course he isn't. It's an exceedingly silly premise to begin with.

Which, honestly, isn't very nice.

Well, here's the thing: I'm not actually a very nice guy, especially when it comes to religious nutcases making fools of themselves. I understand that's like shooting fish in a barrel, but fish are yummy.

I do grow weary of no-name's obvious schizophrenia, though, so she'll be joining Stacey in the banned IP list shortly.

Except that she's apparently on dial-up, so has different IPs on different days. Ah well.

Good point Apo, they are the ones making fools of themselves. While we're at it let's also laugh at the fat kids and the retards.

If they do something funny, sure.

Okay, I just deleted a comment. no-name, in all seriousness, you need to talk to a doctor. You're not well.

Brock is right. I'm going to close this thread to comments for the time being.

Frist!

Well, sort of. In a Second Coming sort of way.

Holy crap! I can't believe the Barack Obama antichrist thread is going to probably surpass Innocence!

Believe it, sister. Innocence is no match for the Antichrist!

Come on, where are the crazy people? Come back, crazy people! I miss you! This is harshing my buzz!

Innocence vs. Antichrist!

It's the epic struggle of Good against Evil.

Becks: if Good loses it will be your fault. Right now Evil is on the rise only because you've got Good's hands tied behind its back. The only hope is to reopen Innocence for comments. Then we'll watch them fight to the death!

Fight to the Giant Mutant Cockroaches, you mean.

Fight to the Giant Mutant Cockroaches, you mean.

Huh. I've never heard of the Giant Mutant Cockroaches. What kind of music do they play?

Well, you know, Mean Gene...

Those wouldn't happen to be giant mutant radioactive cockroaches from the Bronx looking for Proust and Renoir, would they?

"Ha ha ha ha ha ha," so says that Bully on the Simpson's show.

I have never been very religous. The idea of a coming antichrist always seemed obsurd.
I do have to admit though, when I first heard someone say,"Barack Obama"...my first thought was," omg, That's the Antichrist". I've read on these post of others with similar initial thoughts....Maybe it's just the way his name sounds. Or maybe thats the only warning God gives the people of the world.....hahaha

I'm pretty surprised this thread got re-opened. Goin' for a thousand?

Well, if you are, I'm claiming comment 999! You all hear me? It's miiiine!

I'm pretty surprised this thread got re-opened.

Come on. You can't tell me you didn't find enough unwitting funny in that thread to warrant reopening it.

Maybe when we reach 1000. That will be enough.

will there be a prize for the 1000th commment?

does the winner get to meet Obama?

god is good>>>>>the devil's a liar satan's a bitch>>>>>>>the blackman@cdbaby.com>>>>>detroit funk

If Barack Obama becomes President he will be killed.

Is that an observation or a threat?

Maybe it's meant to be a threatening observation.

Oh is that what this "chocolate Jesus" business is all about.

I was going to go there, but then I thought, "Nah, you'll regret it."

I think if Bush isn't the anti-Christ, we're probably okay with Obama.

Wow.

The amount of bigotry and racism in this thread is truly amazing.

So...i guess my comment would be # 968...

it has gotten quite quiet here...

Hm...I dreamnt there was a flood in Judea. I was on horseback urging others to flee to the mountains...people were being swallowed by the neck high water..eventually we hit a dry spot on the mountains...i am terrified....i see Satan in my dreams trying to corrupt and seduce me...How dare he..how dare...he...

The wind was blowing last night, creating an eery feeling within me. A whirlwind of chaos from which no man can escape...no man...I too am frightened. I had agreed within me last night that, "No one can withstand the Wrath of the Lamd." Not I included...I am scared of God..His is awe-inspiring...

699 = 696!

Revelation says the false prophet will come from a place of seven mountains(Vatican?). The antichrists will be "apparently" mortally wounded and rise from the dead and then be proclaimed the "Christ" by the false prophet. Remember, the antichrist will have to follow a similar death, like that of Christ, to be able to fool the world.
Those that do not take the mark of the beast(666-SSN?) will not be able to buy, sell, work or do anything else it takes to survive.

You said it, Dennis.

Remember, the antichrist will have to follow a similar death, like that of Christ, to be able to fool the world.

I'm generally opposed to capital punishment, but if there's going to be a public crucifixion, I'd definitely be interested in watching. I wonder if it will be on the networks, or if I'll have to trawl through youtube for a video? If the latter, I hope Apostropher provides us with a link.

Really? If you think this you need to read your bible again!

974 -> ?

(Not that that the thread is lacking for views contrary to the Bible)

974 to the last bit of 190.

What is the longest comment thread in the history of the internet?

HEY EVERYBODY!!!

I'M BACK!!! Yeah I'm one of the "Crazy people"!!! Not really I just love debating... ay someone tell me where did Stacey, and No Name go to... those two were the highlight of this forum!!!

I thought this forum had been closed forever. THANKS APOSTROPHER!!! YOu've made my day!! now we just need to find stacey and No Name and then it will be business(more like entertainment) as usual!!!

Hello, Joseph! FWIW I don't think you were one of crazy people.

I wonder how many of the people posting this are at heart racists? I guess a black man in Amerikkka can never be articulate. Would these same conclusions be reached if he was a white man named Michael Trevor Johns or something? This is just sick, Bush has been completely fucking things up for the last 6 years but he gets a pass from most of you here. Amerikkka has never been intended to be "For The People".(Please by all means just read up) On July 4th, 1776 ALL men were free by that so called "declaration", but I guess I never saw that fine print that read:"EXCEPT THEM NIGGERS". A lot of your comments made me sick. Not because I was shocked but because they didn't shock me. Is he the Antichrist?? I don't know, but it seems many of you hate-ridden fools just couldn't wait to pin an absolute evil on a black man(Sort of like a pass for all the dumb shit you and people like you have done through out history)...
Peep the description of historian Josephus
"Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus" and now it is funny that Jesus could NEVER be black or darker skinned to some of you yet this comes up, hummmm...

How about Nostradamas's prediction of a man in a blue terbin there is a referance to a name and it seems close to barak obama it is said there also that he we be a well liked man. if anyone knows more about the Quatrain please tell.

I'd like to say that I strongly believe Obama to be the antichrist for the same reasons as illustrated in some of the examples above. God's revelation of such fact was also a crucial factor in my believing Obama to be so. I agree with no-name and the likes, but their messages were a bit too aggressive and I can see why after some of the provacations against them, but such anger is not wholly justified. They must show more mercy and love like God does. And we must pray for them rather than shower them with accussations of being deceived by Satan. Never accuse until you see the facts unfold. Never. God shows us that kind of mercy and patience why should we not towards others? In fact, if people waited to see the facts unfold they would have found out that the Art Institute of Chicago has/had an exhibit in which Obama was depicted as the Good Shepard-Jesus. I have never heard of such phenomena before. Ever. It was strange seeing it-it felt as if I had been contaminated. A couple of months ago I had a chance conversation with someone who realized the same thing about Obama; it was evident that they way God revealed it to us was very similiar. Very similiar. This woman was also revolted by Obama being hailed as Jesus at the Art Institute. But for the most part, I totally agree with Obamaistheantichrist and No-Name and etc... And what I do pity are not the so called raving lunatics but Christians here who like to poke fun at "raving" lunactics also known as their brethern-Christians. Mr Chainwa, you talk about prayer and righteouseness and yet you attack those that border on the "seemingly" insane, and you ask that they pray for you, yet you don't refrain from calling them such names. If you were a true Christian and you know what God's mercy was like, it would be best for you to forgive and let go of what some of these people have said. Forgive them if they attacked you; and forgive and admonish yourself from calling them names and poking fun. We are not here to revel at the expense of others. And instead of attacking them it would be nice if you could pray for them as you have requested them to do for others in plights you ave suffered on occassion.
It is very easy to attack others without attacking ourselves first like Jesus asked us to do when he was talking about the wood in someone's eye (the bigger sins of life) vs the small splinter of wood (pecadillo) in that person's life.

God does not want you or us to attack people; you should pray for them. We are known for our love and mercy, and not condemnation of others. We must love and genuinally so the homoseduals, adultereres, the so called sinners and those so called crazy...we may not agree with them but that does not make them horrible and BAD. God does not care about us putting on a show for others; he cares about what is the heart...I hope people can understand this...

I will keep you in my prayers as well Joseph.

Love,

Anas

Dude, you left an "s" off the end of your name.

984 seems gratuitous. 983 was perfectly friendly. Arguably insane, but friendly.

I'm so sorry I've offended your delicate sensibilities by wasting one whole comment on gratuitousness, Brock.

But anyway, it's not like "nass" is a pejorative term, so I don't really see what you're objecting to.

984 was not gratuitous. Gratituous would be posting something totally OT just to push the thread to 1000, like, say, a partial list of Amazon tags for Patrick Hughes' "Diary Of Indiginities."

assdingus
baby chunks
bald menacing and angry
blowing and drinking horns
cerebral ballsy
cornholing for dummies
earl of overcompensation
field guide to north american homos
fried poop
godzilla eating a sandwich
grecian formula and hummers
hobo socks and garbage
jaunty bat-panty ascot
kiss me you retard
magical artistic weiner underpants
malicious vapors erupting out of my pants
my ding-a-ling is itchy
stupidity and violence
women writers
wrestling is gay

The word "Barack" means blessed directly from the Holy Qur'an. "Hussein" is a Muslim name commonly given among Muslims, after Husayn ibn Ali the grandson of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. So one needs to ask themselves, will OBAMA be yet another Muslim, this time sworn into our nation's highest office using the Holy Qur'an?

Rev 13:18 says: "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." That is, the number 666.

THE DECEIVER, THE ANTICHRIST HIS WHOLE NAME PUT TOGETHER CAN EVENLY BE DIVIDED INTO PAIRS OF THREE SIXES BARACK(6)HUSSEI(6)NOBAMA(6). "THE MUSLIM DEVIL HIMSELF!"

Bravo!! You hath solved the mystery. You can all go home now and put on your white sheets, and await the coming of the LORD.

In what system of math does "HUSSEI NOBAMA" constitute even division?

Seems to me that even division would be something like "Ronald Wilson Reagan."

Also interesting to note that the AC has taken sides in the SEC. Everybody hates the Crimson Tide.

Wow. Look at how close this list is getting to 1000.

Wonder who's going to post #1000? That person may very well usher in the Reign of Our Lord and Savior and the Millennium.

Can't wait to see what happens. I'm getting my white sheet ready.

Darwin used the word "volumecito"? What a fag.

Uncle Grandma, your very name suggests your own seething sexual confusion. Are you sure you are ready to cast unsupportable aspersions at poor Darwin - whom others have interpreted as wrongly seeing homosexuality is inconsistent with natural selection?

I first saw Obama on the Oprah show. His smooth talk made me question him - especially "leading us to world peace." This was when I was starting to worry that he is the antichrist. I don't think he'll win this election, but I fear that he will win a future election for president & after the "7 years of peace" rapture. Remember- if he's elected twice, he'll have 8 years. This is what started to worry me.
If you add this to the weather patterns, wars, natural disasters... I sense the end is near.

994: Not only all that, but don't forget the nuclear powered crocodiles.

Oh come on you guys.

How hard is it

to get to

999?

The millenium is upon us! Thanks to all the little people who made it happen.

Actually, I don't think the millenium starts until 1001.

1000: "little" s/b "batshit insane"

I am pleased that someone Is bringing attenchen to the truth We have been poisioned By grain and chemicals they and the fish have been going on for years. We as a people have little time left. Our boarders have been open forever. Any fool who ignores the problem or searchs for Peace by the silk tongued antichrist has started his magic. In time he will be in power, pray you stay strong. Christ the son of God was first now to punish the world Osama the islamic

Osama the Islamic to have us worship the at his feet . Have we not learned enough from the the past. Are we that ignorant to follow like sheep to what each and every one of you knows is the truth deep inside your Soul. .Has the Fear of the world taken hold Fear of what’s to come blinded us or is it the Lord blinding us to fulfill what is written. I like some of you shall not follow what ever happens to us is to realize what we face soon. The book of evil all of his people against us .They are here now hidden in the masses that have passed from our border. Makes little difference now we have allowed our destruction to grow and follow there book from Satin. Satin who knew a tribe from the desert and jungle would be easy to deceived such as them would breed the hate of Satin that book of hate and murder to those that do not follow his fanatic Islamic book from satin Shall be a war we can never win. When a man or child or women are that corrupted no morels to follow is an army of evil bent on one purpose the purpose of destruction All to lead us to him I will not give the deceiver the name we all know. Fear of the martyr the evil ones will be you and others so many others will join his dream of Peace a peace we shall never know.

>>1002: Nice prophesying, there Mitch.

>>1004 the hate of Satin vs. what...The love of polyester?

no morels
Dang. I love mushrooms.

And most of all Freedom from run on sentences lack of proper punctuation and Random Capitalization. And satin of course. Cotton is much better. Let's hope Apo's blog doesn't get hit by the Y1K bug.

1000: oh fuck, did the rapture happen on July 25? I can't believe no one I know disappeared. I always suspected my parish priest was getting touchy with the kids, so I guess I'm not totally suprised he's still around. What are we supposed to do now--buy guns and ammunition? I haven't read the Left Behind books so I'm not quite sure what to expect.

getting touchy with the kids -- and that's not the worst of it -- he was probably Catholic or something.

Is he or is he not the AC? Will he or will he not win the election?

He fits all the criteria for being the AC but not sure about his Abrahimic blood. If his dad is a Muslim from Kenya it could be somewhat though not entirely likely that he is a child of Abraham, the son fathered through Hagar. Don't know. Could be Ismael's son who has fathered the Arab nation. I don't know.

But he scares me. A lot.

Ther masses are always wrong. Always. Remember that.

Why is it that when a black man finally has a chance at office he has to be the Anti-Christ? Theres a stench on this strand. Can anyone guess what it is??

Barack Hussein Obama (born August 4, 1961) is the junior United States Senator from Illinois and a member of the Democratic Party. The U.S. Senate Historical Office lists him as the fifth African American Senator in U.S. history and the only African American currently serving in the U.S. Senate.[1]

Born to a black Kenyan father and a white American mother, Obama grew up in culturally diverse surroundings. He spent most of his childhood in the majority-minority U.S. state of Hawaii and lived for four years in Indonesia. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office. He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, launching his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2003.

And FYI Barack is CHURCH OF CHRIST which is far from being Muslim.

1011: You will not convince us with your logic, abstract reasoning, and mastery of the facts.

You are obvsiouly not privy to the intra-cranial radio transmissions that we receive from the Masters.

Soon enough you will understand the truth that we bear witness to in sublime prophesy.

Ah man I CAME TO LATE, you guys passed a 1000 long time ago!!!!!!

Yes, but our threads go to 1100.

Theres a stench on this strand. Can anyone guess what it is?

Patchouli?

1015: Nope. Mandom!

Ok, so let us revisit the whole Obama thing...

Why do I think he is the AC...

God revealed it to me...

Obama came outta nowhere. Rose to power quickly...

He could very well have Abrahamic blood...I mean his father is from Kenya which is close to Ethiopia which has Ethiopion Jews...I am scared...

He is really weird with his humanistic ideology and he talks like a holy man but he is not...

He lashed out Pakista and no one said anything to him about that with the exception of Hilary and those other politicians...is this guy that charismatic? Come on...

Listen...

I think he is going to win...and reign with an iron fist...Scary eh???

Ok, so let us revisit the whole Obama thing...

I don't suppose you've read, like, any of the previous thousand-or-so comments? At all?

Dear Rod Scatlock,

I was looking at the dates and so I figured that this "talk" was put on hiatus. Well, I will be waiting...

I read all these things but I wondered if anyone has changed their minds' ?

Yeah Obama kind of scares me...

XXX

no one said anything to him about that with the exception of Hilary and those other politicians

takes the fucking cake. I bow in awe before your contorted thinking.

Hey, stop swearing...and don't bow to me...that's unholy...

My thinking isn't contorted...the average person didn't say anything to him...his political opponents spoke such about him because they thought he was politically naive in making such a politically unsound comment..

XXX

Quite Frankly, they may crown him King over everything on earth after his ascendency to the presidency...I am scared...the mayan calender says that "the tree" will reign in peace...in 2012...is this a false peace and does the tree symbolize the tree from which Adam and Eve were totally forbidden to eat from? If he the false life?

If things are going this well for Obama and Hillary gets kurplunked (I mean who wud vote for her? I sure wud not. ), I will probably see Obama be King of the World. This may begin when he sits in the Jewish temple and becomes the Abomination that declares himself God and Truth...

Whatever you do don't worship him or give glory or honor to him...flee children, flee, he is a false king a false messiah...he brings no real peace but doom...oh the suffering that will ensue for God's children...horrible...

XXX

stop swearing

Hey, you're the one that started with the pornography, Mr. "Triple-X". Have you consulted with any doctors about your paranoid world-view? Who in particular is going to crown Mr. Obama "King over everything on earth"? The tri-lateral commission mebbe? You need to take the scales out of your eyes -- the Mayan millenium prophesy has nothing to do with the Christian millenium prophesy, and neither one of them has anything to do with the real world or with Mr. Obama's candidacy. Seriously, you're tripping me right out -- I don't know exactly why, I was able to chuckle in bemusement at all the other insanity on this thread, mostly. For there to be people thinking and talking like you are in the present day and age is seriously worrying.

XXX, When you get raptured, can I have your porn collection?

How does "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" apply to the particular question of the anti-christ? Does everybody get to throw rocks at the anti-christ because he's just so evil? Cause if we have to wait for somebody without sin to come along, the anti-christ could potentially do lots of evil without getting stoned at all.

Dear Clownaesthesiologist,

I agree that we as Christians have no right whatsoever to cast any stones on anybody-whether these stones be metaphorical or not. The man of perdition is someone so evil that they are far from being forgiven by God. Satan , the Bible tells us,was condemned a long time ago...but you and I and the adulterer and the alcoholic and the crack addict have destinies that are still open...God is there to forgive us and I bet you that he loves you very much regardless of what you say to me or what your ideology is.

If Obama is the AC, there is nothing I can do about it or want to do about it. The only way I can overcome him is by my patience and gentle steadfastness in detracting followers from him. That's all. I have never proposed hating the guy or murdering him. Ever. I could never propose that but I strongly advise people to move away from this man. That's all.

I am not a hate-mongerer. Most of my friends are not even Christians. Some of them have problems with alcohol and pick up women at bars. Some are bisexual. Some are women who love women. One guy is a guy who wears makeup and loves men. Suprisingly most of my friends are not Christian because I can't stand holier than thou people. I just can't. I personally like being chaste in my thoughts and pure from evil things but that's my choice and I don't ever enforce it on anybody. Living an honest, real and pure life is hard for me. Yes, I have been a hypocrite to a degree and still am to a degree and I hate myself when I am like that. It is displeasing to be holier than thou and it is a sin. I'd like to think of myself as simple, hidden, forgotten. There's nothing important or great about me. I'd liek to think of myself as ordinary. Common.Just another person whom you see pass you by at the street. That's all. I am not perfect and I fall short most of the time but God answered my prayers through Jesus Christ who is my teacher of teachers. He is "King of Kings and Lord of Lords." Without him there is no life for me. We fall at the feet of Jesus. Amen.

Your question of "How does 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' apply to the particular question of the anti-christ? " is quite relevant to the subject at hand.

Do we see the antichrist as having a different position with God simply because he has the spirit of the anti-christ and not just ordinary human problems like being an alcoholic or having a hateful predispostion etc etc etc?

Though I could never stone Obama even if he is the AC, I can't say that I will hesitate from calling him the " man of perdition" if and only if he is the man of perdition...Only time will tell.

I received this revelation about a year ago but how and when he will come to power I honestly don't know...The "how's" and "when's" of this situation are purely conjecture like what I said previously about the Mayan thing in 2012.

XXX

Let's love God with our whole hearts and come to what is good and holy for His sake.

Well, sounds like XXX's porn collection would be pretty good.

yeah, does sounds like XXX's porn collection ! lol

I have to say, I got really bored reading after about 12/06. So much swearing and so much OFF THE POINT comments. it seemed that the guy who had no name and the girl who was praying for him were just arguing. I thot this thread would be about Obama. I came to this site to find out info on Obama's beliefs and that kind of stuff so that I could form my own opinion on him being the antichrist. Truthfully I am longing for Jesus to come for us who have received His gift. I am actually hoping that Obama IS the antichrist. That means the rapture will come sooner. Why would anyone who IS a christian not want the rapture to come sooner. Please, Obama, BE THE ANTICHRIST. No person, even as a country, can stop The Bible's Profecy's from happening. This is SO comforting! So, with all that said, if anyone believes that he IS the antichrist AND HAS REASONS for their belief then please respond to my comment. Thanks

Hey ChildOfGod, where are you going? Yasgur's farm, possibly?

The Bible's Profecy's

Ummm, I call parody poster.

I am actually hoping that Obama IS the antichrist. That means the rapture will come sooner... Please, Obama, BE THE ANTICHRIST.

I'm not Obama, but if you just need any-ol'-body to be the antichrist, I can oblige. What do I need to do?

ChildOfGod, you must BE the Antichrist you wish to see in the world.

Please, Obama, BE THE ANTICHRIST

You're not being the antichrist, Danny.

Please, Obama, BE THE ANTICHRIST

Do it for the Gipper!

With all this talk of who gets to be the Anti-christ in the 2008 reenactment of the Apocalypse, it occurs to me there are plenty other roles to be cast. Dick Cheney as the Lamb of God? Steven Spielberg as Saint John? Britney Spears as The Living One?

Sadly, Greenwald's more right than Neiwert on this one, I think.

when will the world end?

when will the world end?

When this thread reaches 10,000 comments.

Obama has the spirit of the antichrist, but he is not the beast nor the false prophet. An antichrist is someone who is a false messiah-there have been many who have attempted to be messiahs and strong leaders. Though Barak Obama is the ideal candidate for the antichrist, I dont think he will succede. He is a little off in a subtle new-agish way, I dont think he is totally messed up or he cud be....but one thing is for sure...he shud keep his hands off world politics and social reform-I personally dont like the way he is meddling in world affairs....

Now that scares the blink outta me....

I think that Barack Obama seems to be a near good fit for the anti-christ, he promises many things, such as peace, the non-use of nuclear weapons, and the ending of the Iraq war sometime in march after he is elected. He might promise these things for some time. But if some people may know, the Mayan Calendar states that there will be a change in dec 21, 2012(day the mayan calender ends), or transformation on the Earth, which could either mean new world order, or the rise of the antichrist. What i find most wierd is that the 2013 elections will soon to be taken place, what if Obama has plans to leave the U.S., and possibly go to further world domination, through the U.N. or promises for peace. But obviously we will never know until possibly he is elected or until his halfway election, but these circumstances do make him suspicious.

3 to 1046.

Yeah, those 2013 elections will sure swing the balance of power.

Ok, religious or not, you have to look at the Bible to understand why most 'Christians' believe Obama is the antichrist. Yes, he does fit the description. Yes, alot of things he has done already and has said already is very close to the 'antichrist' prophecy. I do not pretend to know his story nor do I care to know it. I, myself, am not 'into' politics as much as you all seem to be but my point being..... I am sick of you that know nothing of the Bible slamming those who do and vice versa. If you know nothing of the Bible...Learn, then comment on what you think of Obama. Those of you who do know the Bible and believe in it... Help those who don't understand. Is that not what we Christians are supposed to do? Anyway, I hope that at least one of you can comprehend what I have said.

most 'Christians' believe Obama is the antichrist

Most Christians don't believe that. Even most 'Christians' don't. It's only a tiny sliver of nutcases who are bent on ignoring the Bible who could possibly believe such a thing.

Yes, he does fit the description.

As has been hashed out exhaustively above, no he doesn't.

I am sick of you that know nothing of the Bible

You might be surprised just how well acquainted some of us are with the Bible.

I hope that at least one of you can comprehend what I have said.

That you're yet another halfwit who firmly believes that only the ignorant would take issue with their insane ideas? Consider it comprehended.

Some how I stumbled on to this site while trying to find a pole to show numbers if the election was taken to day. Anti-Christ? I have been a round a long time and not so long ago remember when Mikhail Gorbachev was denoted as the anti-Christ because of the birth mark on his forehead. This world figure has now slipped into obscurity. New faces have arisen to fit the bill of these gloom and doom figures.

We may all sit around and present our views but still it boils down to we may never get it right:

Matthew 24:4-8
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Many years ago I was in the US Navy and had I been walking through the decks below and found smoke it would have been my duty to sound the alarm. For most times where there is smoke there is a good chance of finding fire.

We at this time are engaged in a great conflict of ideals pitting our way of life, belief and freedoms against another. While this other's belief is dedicated to the destruction of ours in any fashion they deem plausible. The other has stated that they would complete this task of annihilating us and our way of life from the inside out.

What does this mean? I do not know. Now, when in consideration of future candidates that are going to represent our freedoms and way of life we should consider who has the least amount of smoke. In view of Barak Obama I would think he has a lot of smoke hanging around his bid for office. If it were not for his formative years spent in an Islamic school or his father being Muslim I would be tempted to vote for him. He says the right things in the right fashion and is other wise a very plausible candidate. Because of the smoke, though, I would have to sound the alarm. If I didn’t, I would be in violation of not doing my duty as an American. I will not trust my future and the future of my friends, family, loved ones or countrymen to anyone that has as much smoke around him as he does.

If he was the one biblically spoken of though there is no way to stop him from becoming the next president of this country. Although biblically speaking Mohammad ElBaradei would just as well fit the bill as easy as Brak Obama might or even better. If you consider ElBaradei could be construed to be the Arab in the Blue Turban; the color of the helmets used by the UN. My point here is I have mentioned three people that are or have been accused of being the anti-Christ and there is many more that could be brought to light.

Trust your senses when the candidate is encapsulated in smoke you might shy away. This is the best advice I can give. For no one knows the day and our instructions are to be ready when that day arrives.

his father being Muslim

As has been stated time and again, his father was an atheist.

'Atheist' and 'Muslim' are basically the same thing, right? I mean neither one of them believes in God, and they're both going to the same place...

I thought Obama quit smoking.

Because of the black, though, I would have to sound the alarm.

Fixed that for you.

Many years ago I was in the US Navy and had I been walking on the decks and seen a black near the ship it would have been my duty to avoid eye contact and quickly hit the button that locks all the doors.

Is that site parody? I can't ever tell with these sorts of things.

mom's atheist dad was muslim. Indonesian step dad showed him islam

sounds pretty anti christian to me

Believe you me, if there were an anti-Christian candidate in the race, he'd have my vocal and unstinting support. But no such candidate exists.

The Satanists just naturally gravitate toward the Republican Party, I guess.

I guess Satan is really in favor of a missile defense system.

atheist dad was muslim

One of these things is not like the others.

1052: I am concerned that no ome is paying attention to Concerned.

Some how I stumbled on to this site while trying to find a pole ... For no one knows the day and our instructions are to be ready when that day arrives.

First, be very careful about stumbling when you are looking for poles - they`re dangerous, especially during campaign season. Also, look out for coatracks, if you know what I mean; they can also be very dangerous.

As for "the day", have you noticed that billions have died without "the day" ever coming? I wonder if God go PO`d and sent all those people waiting for "the day" to hell, for wasting their precious lives instead of living them?

Dont you think our candidates are all a little off

There is Mitt Romney the Mormon. We all know what the Mormons are all about. *chuckle* and then back to my serious face. *serious face*

" " Hillary Clinton whose husband had cigar sex with Monica Lewinsky

" " Barak Obama who "just" popped out of nowhere and eager to spread a New World Order.As if taking on America is not enuf he wants to tak on the World. And he is got that humanist Oprah Winfrey enabling him. Though he has denied being Muslim-he has never denied the antichrist accusations. He cud very well assume a title of being a false messiah.

" " Huckabee with his fundamentalist views that will leave out marginalized people like gays, ppl who defy religious tradition, Muslims, etc. He is the equivalent of a Muslim from Afghanistan with his HATE politics-he just uses the precious name of Jesus to justify BS. Probably a Jew hater too.

Has not anybody noticed that all of these ppl are well kinda weird? Just don't vote for anybody. Only Jesus the Choosen One can bring TRUE peace.

he has never denied the antichrist accusations

Mostly because they're too damn stupid to merit a response.

Only Jesus the Choosen One can bring TRUE peace.

Too bad he's been dead for 2000 years, then.

Just don't vote for anybody

This is the best advice of all to give to fundamentalist-type Christians. America will be a better place when they start voluntarily excluding themselves from the electorate.

Clownæ:　You`ll be rapturously happy, you mean. Let`s not start picking up too much eliminationist rhetoric now, shall we?

Clownæ: You`ll be rapturously happy, you mean. Let`s not start picking up too much eliminationist rhetoric now, shall we?

We all know what the Mormons are all about. *chuckle*

Fuck you, Michael.

Is that "our" Michael in 1069, or some other damned Michael?

I'd hate for Jackmo to fuck the wrong person, you see.

rapturously happy

I won't be rapturously happy until I'm left behind.

Here are some of the signs of the antichrist:
Revelation 13 contains a description of the Antichrist:

1. "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

2. "And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

3. "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."

4. "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

6. "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven."

7. "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

8 ."And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (as per the King James Bible)

Barack Obama is a very educated hansome man which will and has global appear more so than Hillary and Romney the Moron. Other countries will elevate him and respect because of his uniqueness and his underdog entrance into this election and soon to be win. This will open the guarded gates of alot of countries which will allow them to let their guards down and geniunely accept him. His position and ideas for change will be more acceptable. After all he has Oprah (the world's mystical moral voice) support. I also believe he will be the next US president and I do believe he will pave the way for Satan's spirit and mission to be accomplished in the years to come. Either thru him or thru the next president after him.

When the Bible talks about 'beast', 'evil', or 'endtimes'. God is communicating to us spiritually, He is giving the wisdom to know that 'beast', 'evil', and 'endtimes' is spiritual ideologies or meanings that are not necessary going to look or manifest themselves physically.

Remember HE told us to: WATCH AND PRAY. There are two types of "watch(s)" becuase there are a lot of blind people in the world but this applies to them to especially if they are believers as well. Two watch(s): observation by way of the eyes and understanding/heed to conditions in this world.

Its that simple.

Barack Obama is a very educated [brown-eyed] hansome man

Also note his seven heads and ten horns, and his leopard-like appearance.

1077: Have you considered the possibility that it may be the US itself that has become the Beast?

Damn, TT, you'll prosyletize to anybody.

1081: Thanks for the compliment! But seriously, the US is government is out of control, which is why people at home are fed up with Republicans and why many foreigners perceive us as a rogue nation. Too bad the Dems don`t seem to want to do too much about it.

It`s enough to make a reflective man wonder if maybe it`s all simply because the mark of the Beast is on us.

Love this rouge nation. Don't see you leaving! Afraid of being arrested for giving your Teddy Bear a name? Think not, you moron!!!
CIA has my vote

Love this rouge nation.

I'm working to make this a bleu nation myself

Afraid of being arrested for giving your Teddy Bear a name?

I'm going to name my Teddy Bear "Christfucker"!

Or maybe "Preznitkiller".

Has anybody heard how the FBI is going to keep a database of our own individual DNA. That really creeps me out. G-d knows what ppl will do with our own individual DNA.

This world is creeping me out.

Either we withdraw from it compeletely or we live by it utterly.

Barak scares me. Some of the other candidates kinda scared me but no more than Bush scared me years ago.

And for all of you who are laughing about Barak having some kind of evil spirit, go back to the old posts and see how many of those prophecies have come true.

Many ppl. do indeed "flock" to him -they see him as a hope in the midst of all this chaos. He is a false hope-no human being can cleave the word of truth

Anybody who knows anything about truth is that no human being can ever arrive at truth...and Barak claims to have an answer for everyone and everything...the fact that he is sticking his nose in Internatinal affairs concerns me...His vision is global....

His sidekick Oprah freaks me out-she has an obseesssion with humanistic ideas and the "individual" to the point of leaving YWH out of the equation.

Wat did satan tell Eve? He assured her that she wud indeed became like "one of the gods" kmowing good and evil...no human being through his own effort and intellect can ever arrive at Truth...Truth arrives to the human being in the form of YWH Himself as revelation and revelation is not a byproduct of our own thoughts but our relationship with YWH, and YWH is not definable he tells us......

Be careful, the time is ripe for such a world leader....Barak is a false messiah who will BRING false peace in the midst of confusion.

Laugh laugh heartily my friends. U laughed when some of us agreed that Barak will run for presidency and win power and ppl's favor.

Above all things: seek your Lord G-d and win favor with Him-not favor the way humanity does but favor in that he can open your heart to the mysteries of Heavan and you may have the key to Eternal Life.

I am sorry about that Mormon chuckling...I sincerely spologise...seriously...

nervous *lol*

And by favor I mean, try to get close to G-d and purify ur heart so ur eyes can be open to his mysteries. I don't mean favor in the sense that you ask G-d to do u a favor. G-d does not compromise but he blessed those walk in His footsteps and will use that favor to give Glory to G-d...
G-d's blessings are not for us but for His whole Kingdom
It is all about G-d....

Wow...
I really thought this thread would be over now...
I haven't been here since the end of January...
Nothing has changed....

Some of the posts here are so downright verbally wrong that they ought to be deleted.

Though I personally feel weird towards Obama, I dont agree with all the swear words here.

Either u delete this whole forum at your discretion or you delete the inappropropriate ones.

Some of us would appreciate that. No amount of high traffic is worth compromising basic standards of civilty in public forums. Please make an effort to clean up some of the "stuff" here, please.

Thank you

Either u delete this whole forum at your discretion or you delete the inappropropriate ones.

How about you just kiss my ass instead?

1088: Erm, why not try gluteous maximus?

1087: It might be helpful, if you want the "verbally wrong" posts deleted, if u cud tell us what ones are gramaticly so bad they shuld be deleted.

As for incivility, I totally agree that "No amount of high traffic is worth compromising basic standards of civilty in public forums", so that Apostropher has a moral duty to spend all day on his blog to make it satisfactory to you. But can you help by giving him a clear list of the posts you consider either "appropropriate" or "inappropropriate"?

OMG,... You're all very sick human beings.

Just because the man is a black man you freaks need to make him into the anti-christ.

What has the man done wrong to anyone?

If you want to point fingers at a person and call them evil, im pretty sure George W. has more then enough Evil acts under his belt to be getting the title...

The evil acts done in the name of Jesus christ are what Jesus himself meant when he was telling hes goons about the antichrist, he knew that mankind wouldnt be able to take his teachings and progress into anything more then the violent evil animals we truely are.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
His name given at birth is actually Baraka. It is a Muslim name,meaning blessed, or the blessed one.Grab your coffee table Holy Koran and see for your self. It is not African.

BARACKHUSSIENOBAMA sum total of 18 is divisable by 3 sixes. IT IS the number of HIS name.

Barack's CHRISTIANITY is NOT CHISTIANITY. The United Church of Christ is a False Church. IT
IS full of ABOMINATIONS to GOD if you compare it to GOD'S word, THE HOLY BIBLE.

Barack is exstensivly educated. That education includes Muslim teachings and doctrines at Muslims schools. He was taught to" LOVE AMERICA." He was taught to blend in with the western culture. He was taught to advance himself, to position himself, if you will. FOLKS you gotta do some real digging for the truth. The propaganda is not so infallible that it cannot be shattered.

There's so many we think we know.
There's so many things we want to know.
I encourage eveyone to get a shovel and really start digging. SEARCH OUT LIBERALISM,DEMOCRATIC PARTY,Their views and policies are anti GOD or to coin the phrase"GODLESS"
One quick note; ISLAM is a religion. STUDY IT. Get to know it inside out, then COMPARE IT TO the CHRISTIANITY the Apostle's taught.IT DOES NOT MESH BECAUSE IT IS NOT INSPIRED BY I AM>

Barack is exstensivly educated.

I can see how that might frighten you.

Isn't LONESTAROFDAVID just cut-and-pasting from earlier rants in the thread? That's cheating! Write your own unhinged racist rants!

BARACKHUSSIENOBAMA sum total of 18 is divisable by 3 sixes. IT IS the number of HIS name.

So was Ronald Wilson Reagan. It's cool.

BARACKS education IMPRESSES me sir. It doesn't frighten me. It is a very important piece of the puzzle some are trying to put together when they bring out the facts behind the propagana. and to Rod hello sir, I must inform you of a couple of things. I'm not here to hate, or congratulate. I am simply adding to the comments the results of my own personal search. I didn't read previous comments. so do you get it? There is an ANTI CHRIST SPIRIT that many have been awakened to.
of course not all will agree. Probably most will spout stupidity (not ignorance)or call people racist or you know, unintelligent things of the sort.

will spout stupidity

Hmm. Likely.

It will be Huckabee and Obama and the one that people are so entranced by, will win. so ride that bike cause theres only 42 months of shakes, smiles, and sunshine after that comes the boogie man.Tattoo's anyone? Special discount if you get it on the head or on the hand....hey! and by the way, thanks for voting for meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

Barack is exstensivly educated. That education includes Muslim teachings and doctrines at Muslims schools. He was taught to" LOVE AMERICA."

That's what they're teaching at Muslim schools these days?

You're missing the quote marks of irony.

1100!

personly i dont know if obama is the antichrist but as a christian i am on guard becuase he does strike me as a contender to be the antichrist... i do believe we are in the end times and that jesus is coming soon. i also would like all of yall to look into the roman catholic church i strongly believe that it is the great whore of babylon as prophisized in the last days.. i wish that u would all stop fighting about obama becuase u are not making a good examole for God by being christians and also fighting with eachother like cats and dogs. cant u see yall fighting is what lucifer wants. satan wants us to be divided.i am only 18 years old and in my second semester in college and i think two adults fighting like that is ridiculos. God bless all of yall whether u believe or not goodnight

Oh sweet Jesus, it begins again.

I always thought Bill Clinton was the anti-christ, but now I know he was only an apostle of satan along with his evil wife, Hillary the evil avenger. Now i know Obama is the anti-christ with the evil Oprah Winfey as the mother cow of evil.

“Prophet Davis, go and tell your brothers and sisters that a descendant of Ham will never lead the America.”

Fucking awesome. I move we nominate a descendant of bacon.

Cody: Is G-d a little baby, that He needs us to set a good exam[p]le for Him?

Seriously--modern day Christians are the Beast, not any individual. You are mostly well-intentioned IDIOTS who would have everyone else believe you have a hotline to Gawd. You've been manipulated by the church for your entire lives, never seeing even a glimpse of truth, and now you wackjobs are so presumptuous as to consider yourselves prophets and visionaries? Quite the opposite, you are all blind, and you revel in the anti-intellectual filth you surround yourself with. Shame on every one of you who lets religion (aka mythology) fill your heart with irrational hatred.

1108!

Um, like, wow. I can't believe this comment thread hasn't yet exploded and formed its own new galaxy.

Also, hi, apo!

This thread could be a blog all by itself. Well done, a.

Whoa. 1111. Me so special.

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

Now that Barry (The AC) is rocking the primary season, the sky's the limit. I predict B2K by November if not sooner.

Also, eleventy two is the bestest.

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

I was about to post the same damn thing. Holy cow.

I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS OVER THIS THREAD, THESE COMMENTS and ALL EVERY PERSON WHO READS THIS COMMENT.

OOPS!! I meant OVER not ALL. Sorry for not proof reading. Hey can anyone teach me how to cut and glue, or is it paste?

I think that's the last thing you need to worry about, Mr. DAVID.

Holy cow.

Where? I certainly had some decent prime rib when I was back in the States for the holidays.

That reminds me - I need to get to church and partake in a little more of our Savior's body and blood.

This is some serious talk goin on here, I can't say that I believe Obama is the AC but he sure as hell is a good candidate!

wow, three and a half years of thread. goodness be.

1116: I don't know, Cæ, paste eating and glue huffing might explain a lot.

I don't know for certain, just like any one else does.I do know that OBAMA, seems like a good candidate.It's time for a change.I think if in some sinister way,it is some how possible, it would occur like this: Obama win win the presidential election, the national I.D cards will already be sent to many.Obama would be assinated.However, he would have to rise again for many to mourn for him..I don't think many would mourn just cause he the president or black,but because he was a human that won the hearts of many.Once he's back to himself and many claim to have lost or have there national I.D "STOLEN"..This is when the chip will be forced to protect our "IDENTITY"..And then hell at it's best.He is like the lamb the bible spoke of and his power was handed to him by the beast(bush)..Who when you think about it has put everything in place for him..If he indeed turns out to be the "ANTI-CHRIST"..I hope not

Obama would be assinated

By Jeff Gannon, I presume?

assinated

With jelly or syrup?

I believe this to be true think about it...A MAN WHO WILL NOT PLACE HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM! A MAN WHO BELONGS TO A CHURCH WHERE THEY DO NOT ALLOW WHITE PEOPLE! A MAN WHO'S CHURCH SAIDS YOU ARE LOYAL TO AFRICA NOT THE UNITED STATES! THIS MAN AS PRESIDENT! HE IS RACIST AND CAN NOT BE ELECTED! PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD BEFORE IT IS TO LATE!

WHY DO WE THINK THIS? THIS IS WHY. A MAN WANTING TO BECOME THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THIS IS WHAT HE IS DOING. HE DOES PLACE A HAND ON HIS HEART DURING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM! HE BELONGS TO A CHURCH THAT DOES NOT ALLOW WHITE PEOPLE! HE IS LOYAL TO AFRICA AND NOT THIS COUNTRY! YOU ASK WHY? NEED I SAY MORE! AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST! HIM AND OPRAH WANT TO CONTROL THE U.S., I DON'T THINK SO! HE ONLY WON ILLINOIS BECAUSE THE OTHER GUY DROPPED OUT! HE DID NOT WANT TO USE THE BIBLE TO BE SWEARED IN! ANTI YES INDEED!

i have reason to believe that obama is the antichrist. He fits most/all descriptions that even come close to the antichrist. Second of all, if he wins, it will be 2008-12. Now the ancient Mayans believed the world would end on decemeber 21, 2012 , one month after the next election. Now if he swore on "his" bible, the koran, and he is the antichrist... well technically the koran would be wrong and it would be basically swearing on a fictional book that doesnt matter. Keep a close eye out and it should become clear.

He fits most/all descriptions that even come close to the antichrist.

Only if you are completely unfamiliar with Revelation.

Now if he swore on "his" bible, the koran

I can't believe I'm bothering to respond, but it wasn't a Koran, it was a Christian Bible. He's a member of the United Church of Christ, you halfwit.

HIM AND OPRAH WANT TO CONTROL THE U.S.

Oprah for VP!
Stedman for Secretary of the Interior!
And Gayle for Secretary of Defense!

I can't believe I'm bothering to respond, but it wasn't a Koran, it was a Christian Bible. He's a member of the United Church of Christ, you halfwit.

ummmm hes a muslim. wouldnt it be pointless to swear on the united church of christ?

oh my bad that was Keith Ellison. so apostropher since you are a "expert" obviously are you supporting the fact that he is the antichrist or he isnt?

Obviously.

oh my bad that was Keith Ellison.

All those antichrists look alike.

All those antichrists look alike.

no i meant that hes the one that swore on the koran or whatever. not that hes an antichrist.

An antichrist. Shit. There's more than one? Forrest, dude, what do you know that I don't?

Oh yeah - and Dr. Phil for Surgeon General!

Forrest, dude, what do you know that I don't?

Um, hello, he's been saved? And you haven't?

Right, right. Sorry.

If the Ancient Mayans are correct about the world's ending in 2012, then...what the fuck would that have anything to do with Christs or Anti-Christs?

(And no, I don't want to hear any arguments based on Nephites and Lamanites.)

Hello everyone;

Just thought I'd stop in and read more of the communities overwelming insight into the million dollar question. Interesting as always I see. Well, God bless and keep you all.... please understand that I mean no offence to those who believe they came from monkeys. Love to Apostropher and Rod and FB.

please understand that I mean no offence to those who believe they came from monkeys.

And I mean no offense to those who think the Earth is flat and ruled by mystical sky fairies. I return your love in precisely the spirit in which it is offered.

Ah but Sir Rod, It is a beautiful spirit from which I send thee love and well wishes.Is it against the rules to be nice to you?

Oy. We did not come from monkeys, nor have I ever claimed we did. We and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.

I have a tail.

1147

For the love of Bob! When will you stop talking about your freakishly large penis???

As an aside, my penis is the Anti-Christ...and I assure you, through it's charisma charm it will bring peace to the Middle East and begin the End Times...

...and you won't even have to vote it into power.

I only say what it tells me to say, Mr. Sticky.

Hi. I read this whole thread. Do any of you actually know the characteristics of the third and final antichrist? Do you know what his name is supposed to be? "Mabus." Where in that name do you see Barack, Hussein, or Obama? "Mabus" is to be a dark skinned muslim from the general vacinity of The Middle East; one who studies the Koran and Hadith and is known to the world as an Arabic Terrorist. The First AntiChrist was to be named "Napaulon Roy" known now as Napoleon Bonaparte. The second, a man who goes by the name of "Hister," which was in time, Adolf Hitler. In my opinion the third Antichrist has not arrived yet, but when he does, it will mark the end of the world.

I hope you have taken the time to read my response to all of your ridiculous accusations of this good man. I think he would make a fine president if given the chance.

And woah, according to that wikipedia article he has endorsed Obama for president. Consider My mind blown.

elevynfortyeight;LOL! Sir Rod you tickle my funny bone. Great pic. Is that B.H.O's press secretary?

OBAMA scares me!!! He is either the anti-chirst or part of the leading up to it.

'Kendra' says...

"Hi. I read this whole thread. Do any of you actually know the characteristics of the third and final antichrist? Do you know what his name is supposed to be? "Mabus." Where in that name do you see Barack, Hussein, or Obama?"
......

obaMA Barack hUSsein
***MA B***** *US**** ....MABUS?

...just an observation... not commentary... but since you asked...

I COULD CARE LESS WHO WINS,,,ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT, WERE ALREADY SC@#$D,THINK ABOUT IT.A WOMEN,A.K.A-BRA BURNER OR A MUSLIM,A.K.A KORAN BELEIVER/KILL.KILL.KILL!!!!!WHATEVER,,,,

SC@#$D

=SCARED?

1159
oBAMa Barack HusseIn
*BAM* B***** *****I* ....BAMBI?

Of course, his name is not "Obama Barack Hussein" but don't let that stop you.

cHimt IllMs

HE is risen!

So to sum up: love this rouge nation, Obama is secretly BAMBI, the bible is secretly the Koran, and no sign of Oprah in the thread yet, yeah?

1164, see 46.

I meant in person.

I am OPRAH, eater of souls, destroyer of worlds! What puny mortal invokes my name?

Aieeee! I am blinded!

1168: I told you that would happen if you didn't stop, Sifu. As if the hairy palms weren't enough of a warning sign.

UR ALL FUCKING STUPID HE AINT DA ANTI CHRIST. Y WU D U THINK DAT CUS UR WHITE AND U HATE BLACK PPL? UR DA ATI-SMART WHITE GUY HA AND HA!!

DAUM GOT AT U

John 42-47

Rev. 11-18

Peanuts, get your hot peanuts!

You spelled penis wrong.

If he is or if he isn't is not up to US, what’s written is written and God has already determined that destiny but I AM going to run to church and not break the Sabbath. Peace and Love to all.

1176.)

So you're not going to mow your lawn this, or any, Saturday? Peace to you, true believer.

HOLY COW!! Someone please tell me if they really found the number 666 tatooed behind Baracks left ear when he went in for a touch up.

1178: No, but they did find the number "999".